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Would be nice if we eliminate tipping alltogether and instead workers were paid well.
When a kiosk asks for a tip, we’ve gone too far. Heck, I’ve seen a fully robotic “barista” ask for a tip with no human whatsoever.
Yeah, though a nice thing for those who need it my immediate worry was “well, this may mean companies lean further into tipping because yay tax free” rather than working towards just paying workers.
Humtum.
It is a neoliberal solution that ensures “nothing will fundamentally change” for the better.
We’re only paid well because of tipping. If you like a living wage, there’s exactly one industry that’s figured out how to pay it.
And we shouldn’t mess with that.
I understand that position. My SO works a tipped job. There are good days and bad days.
But from the perspective of the customer, we’re paying anyways, so the money is there. We’d prefer fewer shenanigans in the transaction and upfront honestly. I’m not their employer and deflecting responsibilities to the customer weakens any bargaining or leverage employees have for better conditions. After all, employers are only as valuable as the income and benefits they provide; offload responsibilities and you reduce the employer give-a-shit quotient.
I know this is a touchy subject with lots of finger-pointing; that’s how progress gets stalled. I can’t say you’re wrong because you’re not. But I would like to arrive at a solution where tipped workers are paid, at least, identical to what they currently earn without relying on the tipping culture.
Even with her considerations for abuse I feel like it’s a terrible idea compared to treating all income as taxable income.
I’m impressed that she addressed the very first thing I thought of:
If elected president, Harris would work with Congress to craft a proposal that mandated an income limit and applied strict requirements to prevent hedge fund managers and lawyers from structuring their compensation to take advantage of the policy.
Idk about you guys, but I’m sick of every single business in the country asking for tips now. It’s the employer’s responsibility to pay wages, not ours. If she’s leaning harder into tips, then tips we pay should be considered non-taxable expenditures, since we’re obviously paying employee wages. The employer doesn’t pay income tax on the wages they pay, so why should we?
Tax the 1%?
Oh, so we’re going to make it even harder for waitresses to retire, huh? I was excited to vote for Harris, I really hope she reconsiders this terrible policy.
I worked for the food service industry for almost a decade and never met a waitress or waiter that declared their tips, let alone declared enough to retire on via social security.
There’s almost no chance this will effect the retirement of any waitresses in the U.S.
There’s almost no chance this will effect the retirement of any waitresses in the U.S.
Terribly absolutist of you, old chum.
Yes, the situation is shit, but that shouldn’t mean accepting things which make it even worse.
The US tipping culture is literally from trying to have legal slaves. Not even wage-slaves, because those require wages.
https://www.povertylaw.org/article/the-racist-history-behind-americas-tipping-culture/
Oh yeah I mean of course we should get rid of tipped wages and just make it a normal hourly wage, but I was just trying to make the point that removing the taxes on tips isn’t gonna somehow make it impossible for waitresses to retire, it’s the non-hourly wage and the rest of the economy that’s doing that.
Terribly absolutist of you, old chum.
Hey I still put an “almost” in there lol.
Fair enough.
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We have to report the cash no matter what you tip on the card. Who told you otherwise?
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