Donald Trump's own fans are begging the former president to change course as Vice President Kamala Harris now reportedly leads him in seven national polls. Trump late Thursday night bragged that one of his endorsed candidates, Bobby Harshbarger, prevailed against incumbent Sen. Jon Lundberg in t...
  • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    262·
    5 months ago

    Anyway, is this really the thing that’s a step too far? Is this the worst thing he’s ever done on camera? It isn’t.

    Howard Dean’s political career ended because of a random scream of enthusiasm. Jeb Bush said “Please Clap.”

    Remember, we’re talking about what the “final straw” is that broke the camel’s back. The final straw may not necessarily be the heaviest one. Just the last one.

    If the game is tied in the 4th quarter and your QB got picked off for the 3rd time in a row, don’t be surprised when even the rest of the team starts telling the coach it may be time to bench him. It’s exactly what just happened to Biden.

    • xantoxis@lemmy.world
      61·
      5 months ago

      Remember, we’re talking about what the “final straw” is that broke the camel’s back.

      Nah, though. We’re not.

      Howard Dean was squeaky clean when “the scream” happened. He was everyone’s favorite, and it was too early to say for sure at that moment but we felt like he could win the whole shebang. Then he screamed and it came crashing down. It wasn’t a “final straw”. It was the only straw. A straw made of Republican propaganda and enemy action, swallowed by democratic liberals.

      As for Jeb Bush, he was underwhelming from the start. Nobody wanted him to be president; probably not even him. “Please clap” was his admission that his campaign wasn’t working at all. Again, not a final straw. In this case there wasn’t even a camel in the room, just Jeb, giving up.

      None of these models applies cleanly to Trump. It’s not a “final straw” because there’s a mountain of straw; bales of straw as far as the eye can see. It’s not Howard Dean for the same reason. It’s not Jeb Bush either, because Trump may be faltering but he is literally incapable of throwing in the towel. He doesn’t even contain that, as an option.

      So I don’t know why this one is sticking, but I think we’re closer to Jeb Bush territory than Howard Dean. I think everyone but Trump is getting a glimpse of the fact that this is going to be a bloodbath for him.

      • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        5 months ago

        Dean and Bush may not be the most on-point comparisons, but my main point was to say it isn’t always a big thing that could cause a political career to come crashing down. Sometimes, it’s little, seemingly pointless things that just stick for all the wrong reasons.

        Same thing could end up applying here. For all the racism, misogyny, corruption, lies, criminal acts, and Trump doing things literally daily that would have ended anyone elses career, Trump has been all but untouchable. And then someone called him weird. Sure, there was the NABJ interview, but the “weird” thing had already stuck, and if it weren’t for that, it’s very possible that that interview would have just been written off as another example of Trump being Trump. But nope. Now he’s weird.

        Of all the things Trump has said and done with impunity, being called weird may be what does the trick. Go figure.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      41·
      5 months ago

      Dean’s yell was not a “last straw.” If I recall, he was doing pretty well at the time actually.

    • GladiusB@lemmy.world
      31·
      5 months ago

      I hate the sports analogy. I understand it because I like sports. It’s apt because your statement resonates. What I hate is that it should be about the people and what needs to happen for a society. It’s not a form of entertainment. It’s life and death for most.

      • irreticent@lemmy.world
        1·
        5 months ago

        Howard Dean, as the most progressive candidate got sabotaged similarly to Bernie Sanders, which was later blamed on that scream. KH has dozens of way goofier clips and she’s probably going to win the election.

        Do you have a link? I wanna see these goofy clips.

          • irreticent@lemmy.world
            2·
            5 months ago

            not sure why people can still.see my.posts after I delete them. Must be a bug with different instances

            Not really a bug, more of a feature. It’s easy to see what was deleted from comments in the fediverse. Maybe it only works in certain clients but it definitely works.

            I think it’s great for transparency. Some people may not be as vitriolic if they knew their comments would be immortalized on the internet.

            • Juice@midwest.social
              11·
              5 months ago

              I mean, I guess that’s fine. People are more rude to me more than I am to them; I just can’t always shake the feeling that a post is dumb and pointless