Americans surely must understand by now that they’re only seen as consumers, statistics, a unit from which money can be extracted. They’re not seen and treated as humans.
Americans who lived abroad, what do you think about this?
I haven’t lived abroad but I’m a disabled vet and thus get social healthcare…
And it’s fucking horrifying what my countrymen/women don’t get. I get the European experience (less than, let’s be real… I was gunna say more or less but it’s less…) and my comrades in arms (and just my comrades?) don’t because of technicalities? My brethren who choose not to support business get screwed? Fuck that we should all benefit.
To be clear, health should be a human right, housing should be a human right, food should be under health as a human right but let’s be serious it should be a separate human right so everyone has to acknowledge it. (thanks America for needing that to be spelled out…)
Somewhere between just 18-25% of veterans get the benefits they’re entitled to, and the VA wants to keep it that way.
It’s fucking disgusting
Technically I’m not even getting what I’m entitled to, I just recognize I get more than most of my comrades and until they get it I’m not pushing for myself.
Because you are right. It’s horrifying to go to a Va hospital, because the majority of people there are bitching up a storm because they aren’t getting care they should be entitled to. Wildly uncomfortable experience. And I don’t blame them and they deserve it way more than I do… but technicalities…
To be clear, health should be a human right, housing should be a human right, food should be under health as a human right but let’s be serious it should be a separate human right so everyone has to acknowledge it.
You’ve just summed up article 25 of the universal declaration of human rights. The US is a signatory to it - but it’s not legally binding.
That’s why they signed it. It’s not binding so what does it matter?
I mean the US has taught me that being an ancom is the right path. I wish they had any support for what they actually preach being a good thing but I’m not into it. And I once signed my life away thinking it was right… mistakes were made man.
(In fairness, I come from a conservative area, so I’m not against people, I just want what’s best for everyone, even if they don’t recognize it as a good thing yet.)
I’ll never return if America doesn’t get healthcare. I don’t even like visiting because that’s so obvious. I usually don’t go out when I go back and just hang out at my parents. Everything is depressing and I can pretend to not see it in their bubble.
It’s sad. What’s the solution?
Basically pass something through government channels to wrest the service from the hands of individualized businesses wearing the skins of hospitals and the business complex of health insurance… Like every other nation who has a social system did at some point in the past.
It’s kind of easy to forget but like sanitation, fire service, post, police services, hospitals, secular school systems … Those were all exclusively the domain of for profit businesses once. Just because something currently lines someone’s private pockets doesn’t mean that makes it untouchable. It has all been done before. Just wiping out the third party insurance companies alone and socializing the insurance would probably do wonders.
That won’t work for the federal government. The people have no mechanism to put forth legislation (or to recall elected officials, which I see being a huge problem pretty soon).
That there is no tried and true fix for. The US is an old Democracy with a massive cultural complex around not changing anything a founding father sneezed on. There’s some weird exploits in the 9th and 10th Amendments that could potentially cause a massive melt down if a sitting government decided to ever try and use them but it is just theoretical and anti-originalist so it’s unlikely.
I look at the US government being in a death spiral as a separate but related problem. If your air conditioning isn’t working and your engine is busted, the air conditioner isn’t really your first priority.
You change. Stop asking and start doing?
Isn’t your whole thing “by the people, for the people”? The people are an overweight zombie staring into a TV slurping an empty soda. Seeing this from the outside is absolutely crazy. You guys are so, so, SO passive.
You’re becoming poorer and poorer, your world is quite literally burning and drying up, quality of life has bottomed in a way no one even a generation ago would even imagine.
And what do you do? I mean…
You’ve offered no real actual actions though. Change… What? To what? Your world is also quite literally burning and drying up. You could share your clearly superior wisdom instead of just dunking on Americans, which is frankly low hanging fruit anyway.
So what do you do?
Stop asking what to do. What’s wrong with you?
Ah so your call to action is… Inaction? Very enlightening, thanks.
Nothing is gonna change if you keep behaving like this.
I’m not sure, but it won’t be televised.
Continue to support policies (thus Politicians (i.e. Democrats)) that want to give everyone access to healthcare, regardless of economic status. This would mean never voting for Republicans as they are opposed to this.
How has it been 60 years of the same shit and you guys don’t pick up on it? What’s going on over there?
The last time Democrats controlled the House and Senate for more than a single term was with Jimmy Carter, 1977-1981 [0]. It’s hard to make progress when Republicans are willing to shut the government down to prove how bad the government is. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[0] https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jun/25/control-house-and-senate-1900/
Lol, you think it’s the ruling party that’s the problem? That’s what I mean, how are you just duck in this loop of thinking.
But enough of us are okay with that as long as those damn immigrants, black, and poor people are treated that way it’s fine.
So horrible.
We’re not lacking in “system”, that’s part of what we’re overpaying so much for. It’s the “care” part that’s lacking.
Oh we have really good care, if you can pay for it.
And none of us can afford the really good care, we go broke trying to afford the over worked, beaten down healthcare staff doing the best they can with what little they have.
Remember during the pandemic they were literally wearing trash bags to take care of people?
POSIWID. Purpose of a system is what it does.
I’m this case, extract as much money as possible from the population.
Sparing loved ones of financial hardship is one of the noblest reasons to die. What a fucked up sentence.
The horror is in the fact that the system forces these kinds of choices on people. Any system that forces people to consider suicide to avoid bankrupting their loved ones due to medical cost is barbaric.
The US healthcare system is a hostage situation.
US healthcare is extortion.
You are worth keeping alive as long as you generate enough value for the machine.
Not even that though. Like if my chronic medical condition is adequately treated, I’m able to work, be productive, pay taxes, contribute to the economy, hopefully contribute to my community.
But that would eat into an insurance company’s profits, therefore they’d rather opt to let me die and replace me with a new unit that can pay premiums longer without needing any actual medical care.
The only entity that has a positive financial incentive to pay for the medical care that keeps me healthy is the government.
Medicare for All, now.
It’s designed that way and I hate it.
This is my plan when a major illness rears its head.
So, just sit back and watch it happen to others too, instead of standing up for yourself, your fellow man, and your collective human rights?
How horribly American :(
Hate to break it to ya, but nobody’s had the ability to fight all that money. Pres Obama made the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) and the Republicans gutted the shit out of it since then. Currently they’re killing mother’s and children by dismantling abortion services everywhere they can. We live in hell and half of our voting population has sworn their souls to a political party that lies to and screws them constantly, but they still vote for because it’s “their party.” The other half is stuck with leadership that factionalizes the second they get power, and is basically just the Republicans from the 80s.
Indeed. This is America
Yep, that tracks.
I was just telling my wife last week that I would go end it in the woods before wasting or life savings on treatments that probably won’t cure me.
This was just a hypothetical convo I’m not sick.
Speaking of “non-system,” wouldn’t Go Fund Me be mad about that? I’ve heard they’re really anal about using funds in any way that deviates from the stated purpose.
Snitches get stitches; which may require a GoFundMe of its own.
Snitches get GoFundMe to pay for stitches
Considering the potential fallout, I can’t imagine such a decision ever coming from them when it’s related to funds meant for the healthcare of an individual used for his funeral instead.
So what happens when an ill family member passes? Go back to go fund me?
Refunds, mostly.
I… damn.
I’ve already had this talk with my daughter. I’m not presently ill or anything, but I see this as the new American version of estate planning.
Somehow, I’ve managed to build up a few meager assets to leave to my daughter and I’ll be damned if I let American healthcare take it all.
(And please refrain from bringing up misinformed statements on estate tax. I’m a tax accountant. I’m more astute on that stuff than most of the population, and my little pile of shiny trinkets is well below any threshold for any of that to kick in)
First corporate job. There was a lifetime maximum…wtf? I spent more on my first house.
My father is having a lot of health issues and I am worried every day that he is going to choose this path too.
Fucking hell, this is brutal
