Isn’t this the plot of the bee movie
That movie makes me angry, he has no standing in the case. His hive was never harvested. I assume the hives that were harvested appeared to be man made. They never explain those bees perspective. As far as we know they had a deal and now Jerry Seinfeld has now gotten them evicted.
Yeah he has no standing but like, he’s also just fucking wrong. The third act of the movie details that the world undergoes an ecological disaster thanks to Barry getting the bees to stop working. As an ending, it has its own problems, but for as much as you can say about the Bee Movie, Barry isn’t a hero or even really heroic until the very end. He’s just an asshole who’s out for himself. Absolutely he fucked over those corporate bees, and he doesn’t care, he just didn’t want to work.
He’s a very very bad man.
Barry has standing in that destruction of natural habitats in the area surrounding his hive has impacted his colony’s ability to thrive. His colony is a victim of colonialism. If he can prove that his colony is descended from an earlier colony which cultivated plant life in the New York area that was deforested by humans, then he may be able to argue that his colony is owed a certain amount of land. Charging rent from the human businesses on that land so he can buy honey, Barry would be able to supply his colony with enough honey to get us to the end of the movie’s plot.
It’s a little more complicated than what we actually saw, but the logic is sound.
It sure is. I just watched it last night
I don’t know how it is elsewhere, but here, if you get honey in a bear shaped container,it’ll be the absolutely shittiest honey available on the market.
Never seen one outside of American media, and it was always obvious it’s the worst quality. I’m pretty sure it’s not even majority honey, it feels very American to have it be like 80% high-fructose corn syrup, additives, “honey aroma” and the rest shitty honey only because it’s needed by law to call it honey.
That is not my lived experience; the random grocery store brand inexpensive honey I bought is 100% honey. I remember seeing a bottle of “honey blend” posted to Lemmy awhile back that was cut with corn syrup with a lot of Americans surprised at its existence.
I’ve seen them in France. Here it’s not allowed to mix honey with something else. But you’re allowed to buy the cheapest honey you can find from wherever, and mix it. The result can be surprising.
Like the company taking all the profits from our hard work and putting into the bank that charges us over draft fees
This is the nature of humans
Yeah you’re not free to run around any more, I’m gonna sit on you and you’re gonna take me where I want to go.
Hey I’m gonna put you into a little enclosure so we can all come by and look at you. No, you can’t have a friend in there.
Oh I’m gonna breed you with really short unusable legs and breathing problems because it’s fun for me.
Also if you ever bite me or anything like that, or even exist in my neighborhood at all if you’re realistically capable of doing any damage to us, then we’re gonna have some fuckin problems, I guarantee you.
Yes, we mock thee.
Such a missed opportunity to do an upside down bee, with the stinger as the cone-shaped twisty top nozzle.
Okay. Now think about landlords.
To be very clear, no one is “taking all” their honey, FFS.
Hyperbole is better suited for getting a reaction, not actually proving an argument true. 🤓
Something tells me they were just making a joke, not an argument 🤓
It’s worth noting whatever’s left is often still not enough to survive the winter. They often replace it with a form of sugar water that doesn’t give the bees what they need
From a study looking at the harms of this replacement:
However, the amount of HMF that can be found in homemade syrups, which increases with temperature and acidity, can be much higher and can cause significant bee mortality. Moreover, we highlighted the detrimental effect of syrups acidity on honeybee survival, suggesting that the addition of lemon or any other acidifying substance to invert the sucrose could be harmful and not necessary.
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s13592-020-00745-6.pdf
From a less scientific source but talking about practices more broadly:
To harvest the honey, beekeepers either smoke the bees to subdue them, or trap them with a clearing board over one or two days. Others kill the colony altogether.
Oftentimes, beekeepers replace the honey they remove with a sugar water substitute. This practice prompts honeybees to overwork themselves to replace the missing honey. Meanwhile, the sugar water lacks the nutrients, fats, and vitamins that bees need to be healthy.
https://plantbasednews.org/culture/ethics/is-honey-vegan-the-not-so-sweet-truth/
Unless you have citations assuring the validity and impartiality of that team from the initial quote, I’m going to have to lean toward “biased AF” and even “fundamentally compromised”. Secondly, the follow-up quote is both and blatantly so: fucking vegan “news”? For shame.
Maybe, getting off the internet and taking to some actual apiarists’ could be a wiser, more reliably scientific method to find answers to this issue. Rather than memes, FB-focused “news” orgs, and politically attached think thanks. 🤷🏼♀️
The paper shows its funding source The paper was published by authors from universities funded by government grants
The research leading to these results was funded by the European Union Seventh Framework Programme (FP7/2007-2013), under Grant 613960 (SMARTBEES) and by the Dipartimento diScienze AgroAlimentari, Ambientali e Animali, University of Udine, Italy.
Here another talking about the sugar water use and harm if you don’t trust the first
The immune system is one of the animals’ most expensive physiological systems to maintain, especially when food is deficient in proteins [2,11,12], which is extremely frequent in commercially kept colonies, usually fed on sugar syrup
And for author information:
Funding
The study was supported by the Eastern Apicultural Society of North America (grant awarded to E.T.), and by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technological Development of the Republic of Serbia (Grant No III46002 awarded to the project led by Zoran Stanimirovic). The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.
Acknowledgments
Authors are thankful to the beekeepers from West Serbia (Sjenica, Prijepolje, Tutin, Raška, Novi Pazar and Priboj) for allowing the access to their honey bee colonies
Conflicts of Interest
The authors declare no conflict of interest.
Fair point. Care to do the same to the vegan news source?
getting off the internet and talking to some actual apiarists
Hopefully it’s easy enough to find the sources they’re relying on. If you don’t know apiarists you might have to burn a lotta gas or spam email some to talk to them.
Or, simply find the online forums they use. They’re not all Luddites, you know.
But what happened to getting off the internet!
On a serious note, I hope those forums aren’t infested with commercial interests as you recognized think tanks often are. I mean, I pretty much doubt it.
But some smart, yet very sad, corn syrup etc. shill could be hawking his stuff and inflating via socketpuppets…
This right here is why a small part of me wants an independent third party to vacuum up our IRL identities (think social security number) and represent the legitimacy of our existences to social/review websites.
…independent third party to vacuum up our IRL identities (think social security number) and represent the legitimacy of our existences…
Heh. I have neither the bandwidth nor the expertise to unpack that this evening, but let’s just say: that would go so gloriously wrong in every conceivable way.
It’s a SMALL part okay! :D
Today’s shower thought: the IRS already forced me to signup for ID dot me, why not put that intrusion to good use?
No more choosing the next venue for the biggest days of our lives (weddings) or anniversaries (restaurants) or honeymoons based on friggin REVIEW FRAUD (dammit Amazon!)!
Maybe an unqualified unpack next time you’re free & you think of how angry this idea makes you :p
