• Banzai51@midwest.social
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    Biden shares many of my values and goals, but because he isn’t perfectly aligned with my values and goals, I’m voting Trump, a man that shares NONE of my values and goals, as a protest. What could go wrong?

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      Democracy works by criticizing your elected officials until they make necessary changes. People NEED to be putting Biden’s feet to the fire to end the genocide in Palestine. Just because Trump would be worse doesn’t make what Biden is doing ok. Criticism of one isn’t an endorsement of the other. And Biden NEEDS the votes of everyone criticizing his response to the genocide. Instead of harassing people trying to end genocide, you should be asking why Biden supports genocide more than the young voters who he needs to win in November.

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        The meme implies protest at the polls. Their comment is reflective of that sentiment. Criticize and protest US support of Israel independent of casting your vote in rebellion. The point stands that Trump encourages eradication of the Palestinians and Ukrainians, while oppressing working class Americans and repealing climate change progress.

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            You’re going to get one whether you like it or not. Do you want the nicer geriatric or the one who wants to burn shit down? Because if we don’t try to stop it, this will be 2016 all over again.

            I hope you choose to vote, or are at least ok with letting the fascist take over because of inaction. “I’m NoT vOtInG fOr GeNoCiDe” is a stupid argument when not voting is more likely to elect the full throated genocider.

            I really don’t see how some people can sleep at night with their choices…

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              If you can’t vote for no genocide, then you are in a sham democracy.

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            It starts to get quite boring, is that all you people have? He’s old yeah, both are, but Biden won’t run the country all by himself you know. About the genocide, he sure could have tried to do more, but how in hell is that his fault? I mean are all politicians worldwide genociders because they didn’t stop the horrors in Gasa?

            Grow up.

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      1. What values and goals does Biden share with Leftists, other than not being as far-right as the Republicans?

      2. Who said anything about voting for Trump? I myself am voting Biden most likely because he isn’t as bad as Trump, but I share practically nothing with his views.

      What person is criticizing Biden from the left but actually voting for Trump, other than the strawman you created?

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        Supporting of unions is a pretty big thing biden supports that leftists also support, nevermind his views and actions on climate change and bodily autonomy.

        Your comment is wildly reductionist and supremely ignorant.

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          Biden has given concessions to Unions, that does not make him pro-Union. He has fallen excessively short on Climate goals and has done little to expand abortion protections.

          Being less right wing for a liberal does not make Biden a Leftist, it just makes him less of a bad thing.

          Your comment is wildly reductionist and supremely ignorant.

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            “Biden helped unions get what they want, that doesnt mean he helps unions.”

            Do you even read what you’re typing?

            On the subject of abortions, what do you think he can do short of publicly speaking about his support for bodily autonomy? A president isn’t a king.

            Why are so many progressives so uneducated on how our government works?

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              Biden tossed scraps, yes. He has not proposed radical changes to the anti-union policies that exist everywhere, he has not supported strikes, and he has not expanded protections to Unions. Believe it or not, a Pro-Union candidate can do these things! Biden isn’t actually pro-union, he just tosses scraps when strikes happen.

              Yes, I do read what I am typing. I want a Pro-Union candidate, not a neutral one, so I will criticize Biden.

              I believe Biden can quit playing softball with regards to abortion. Biden is the king of virtue signaling, he isn’t a king but he does have power.

              Moreover, Biden is a Capitalist going far out of his way to support ongoing genocide. I am not going to be happy with his Capitalism, and I certainly won’t be happy with his genocide.

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                Im not sure it’s possible to be more pro-union than being literally the only president in united states history to ever step foot onto a picket line and protest.

                He is doing what he is legally able to do for abortions and unions. The president is not a lawmaker, nor a king like you would seem to have him be.

                Again, its not his fault you seem to be ignorant of the structure of the US government.

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                  I literally gave you examples of how a President could be more Pro-Union: by presenting and helping pass actual Pro-Union legislation that protects worker’s rights to strike and form unions. Another good one would be mandating that all companies be unionized, or companies of a certain size must have union representatives participate in Board meetings.

                  Virtue signaling does nothing materially, it’s an optics thing.

                  He isn’t doing what he can do, lmao.

                  I am not ignorant of the structure of the US government just because you believe the job of the US president is to shout slogans and steer the country off vibes, lmao

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                    Which legislation that republicans have allowed to hit floor should biden support?

                    Its also certifiably nuts you think a president should unilaterally demand all companies be unionized - like the king you would have him be. The destruction that would be wrought is unimaginable.

                    You just dont understand how us politics work.

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      just because trump would be worse, doesnt mean biden isnt really bad

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        He passed the IRA, rejoined the Paris Agreement, repealed the transgender ban in the military, restored net neutrality, defended the use of mifepristone, supported Ukraine, and relieved some student debt. That’s enough to earn my vote.

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          Right, but when your beliefs involve the dissolution of capitalism, these are more like perpetuating the system.

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            Even the people who believe in dissolving capitalism have accomplished nothing but perpetuate the system.

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              Its that shitty Ben shapiro meme. “You hate the system yet you participate in it, curious?”

              Yeah not really many options when you’ve gotta put food on the table. The change comes from the top down down down Esit: I may or may not be misreading your comment.

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                The top doesn’t have as many options as people think.

                Ben Shapiro is dumb and I don’t fault anyone who can’t bring about a worker’s paradise, provided they make an incremental improvement in the lives of others. That includes Biden.

                After taking millions of tiny steps forward, we’ll eventually get to where we need to be.

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                  Too bad at this rate, the planet will be burnt to a crisp before we get anywhere close to good enough.

                  No time for baby steps. Perhaps its selfish, but Id like these changes in my lifetime, please.

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                    It’s not selfish. People are SUFFERING and DYING. The people who are selfish are the ones who don’t want to give up the privilege and luxury they have that is only made possible by the suffering and exploitation of others these reforms would help the most.

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                    I think the biggest LOL in history is Main Characters who think they can immediately solve the world’s problems. They literally have a 0% success rate.

                    All of our actual progress has always been incremental.