• Norgur@fedia.io
      2416·
      9 months ago

      Forgive them. They aren’t used to choosing their browser yet.

    • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      401·
      9 months ago

      Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can’t say I’d recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.

      We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.

      • Technus@lemmy.zipEnglish
        32·
        9 months ago

        Remember kids, if it’s Chromium based, it’s still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don’t let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.

        • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
          15·
          8 months ago

          The worrisome thing is that there’s no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.

          We must defend Firefox at all costs, it’s the last glimmer of freedom.

          • zarenki@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            8 months ago

            Every single other browser is Chromium.

            One exception I’m aware of: GNOME Web (aka epiphany-browser) uses WebKitGTK, which is based on Apple’s WebKit rather than Google’s Chromium/Blink. But it’s Linux desktops first and foremost. Not on mobile platforms, not exactly intended for Windows (might be usable with Cygwin/WSL) or macOS (seems to be on MacPorts) either, and even on non-GNOME desktops like KDE it might seem a bit out of place.

            I daily drive Firefox but Epiphany is my first choice fallback on the rare occasion I encounter a site that’s broken on Firefox.

      • OrangeCorvus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        56·
        8 months ago

        True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it’s like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.

    • hOrni@lemmy.worldEnglish
      175·
      9 months ago

      Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I’m switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        211·
        9 months ago

        Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
        Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?

        • hOrni@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          8 months ago

          I am using uBlock Origin on my Vivaldi. It doesn’t block everything.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
          417·
          9 months ago

          “This Other Browser is just as good as Brave*!”

          *if you install x, y, and z and uninstall a and b

            • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
              14·
              8 months ago

              You think Firefox is the only browser that can use extensions and add-ons? Brave just doesn’t need them for adblock because it’s built in. But, like all chromium browsers, you can use loads of extensions for loads of use cases. Anything that works on Chrome works on Brave.

              • Resonosity@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                8 months ago

                It’s maybe a few clicks to find the add-ons store in Firefox then searching “uBlock Origin”. Hell, when I switched to Firefox last year, I want to say there was even an onboarding that pointed me to the extension upon setup.

    • strawberry@kbin.run
      7·
      9 months ago

      as someone said, its randomised, and I’m sure that other browsers also saw more downloads

    • RmDebArc_5@lemmy.mlEnglish
      42·
      9 months ago

      Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

      • Muehe@lemmy.mlEnglish
        9·
        9 months ago

        Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.

        That’s because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it’s HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn’t they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?

        • RmDebArc_5@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          8 months ago

          I wouldn’t be sure because of how stupid Apples compliance is. But if they do I would definitely switch. I guess it’s just going to be Firefox focus until then.

      • abhibeckert@lemmy.worldEnglish
        65·
        9 months ago

        Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

        Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I’m human. For example it has “private relay” which is similar to TOR* so trackers don’t even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don’t block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic… so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can’t track you

        99.99% of the Safari’s code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.

        It’s not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

        (* if anything, it’s better than TOR… with that service there’s a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it’s always one of Apple’s servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you… maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can’t)

        • smolyeet@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          I mean they did say few. Generally speaking, every browser is basically safari (WebKit) on iOS and apple doesn’t allow support for 3rd party browser extensions (least natively, Orion supports this somehow). So you’re already limited in that regard. If you don’t use safari , a browser like FF + VPN is IMO a better experience. You also have the option of just using wireguard and controlling your traffic at home/VPS if you’re into that.

          WebKit might be open source but the browser deployed by apple is not. That’s like saying chrome is open source. They both use open source engines.

        • Muehe@lemmy.mlEnglish
          31·
          9 months ago

          it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

          You have this backwards. Google showing you captchas is basically them saying they can’t match your browser to any know (shadow) profile they have already stored. So they aren’t sure you are a human and if so which one specifically. Getting harassed with a captcha is essentially like a badge of honour for your browsers privacy settings.

    • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachtsEnglish
      1222·
      9 months ago

      Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore

      • Gerudo@lemm.eeEnglish
        114·
        9 months ago

        Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you’re stepping on a minefield.

        • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachtsEnglish
          43·
          9 months ago

          Idk if I would advocate for or defend it, but I find mobile ads especially abhorrent cuz they take up more relative space on the screen and my upload speed isn’t good enough to be VPNing through my pihole anytime I’m outside the house

          iOS browsers are just skins for Safari anyways, and Brave addresses my issue out of the box, so yeah

    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
      416·
      9 months ago

      Because it’s listed as the first item on the browser choice screen for some reason, probably

    • latetolemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      520·
      8 months ago

      Cause Firefox is trash and Mozilla a shell of their former selves?

      Also it’s so liberating to speak your mind without caring what some scrub with his sweaty fingers on the downvote button thinks

    • progettarsi@feddit.itEnglish
      441·
      9 months ago

      firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it’s too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat

      • max@feddit.nlEnglish
        191·
        9 months ago

        Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

        • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          35·
          9 months ago

          I wouldn’t say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn’t support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren’t problems with FireFox, it’s more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn’t work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that’s FireFox’s fault.

          • max@feddit.nlEnglish
            6·
            9 months ago

            I’ve used edge before my university disabled profile syncing (only reason I was using it, to be honest). Edge was fine. Switched to Firefox just to see how it is nowadays, never looked back. Honestly, can’t think of any extension I’m missing. Got quite a few myself, but probably not the same niche as you.
            So far I haven’t encountered broken websites yet. Fingers crossed to keep it that way. Though I’ll probably steer clear of such a website unless absolutely necessary.

        • latetolemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          16·
          8 months ago

          Granted, I’m a software engineer,

          Lmao love how you inserted “software engineer” there like that supposed to mean something.

          • max@feddit.nlEnglish
            5·
            8 months ago

            In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.

      • SeaJ@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.

        • progettarsi@feddit.itEnglish
          1·
          8 months ago

          every site i use is slow af in librewolf (basically firefox) and also uses a lot of resources more than chromium based browsers

  • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    26314·
    9 months ago

    For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.

    Use Firefox with privacy addons.

      • hannes3120@feddit.deEnglish
        42·
        8 months ago

        Vivaldi is the best!

        Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google’s disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too

        But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!

        • Madis@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          8 months ago

          Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn’t seem very sustainable yet.

          • hannes3120@feddit.deEnglish
            31·
            8 months ago

            I get updates every other week

            but I think it’s in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine

            • Madis@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              8 months ago

              Ahh, now that explains why I just saw a smaller number.

              Floorp is based on Firefox ESR. Floorp will be updated every 4 weeks, with security updates provided before each Firefox release.

    • cryptix@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      714·
      9 months ago

      But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.

    • turkishdelight@lemmy.mlEnglish
      917·
      8 months ago

      Wasn’t the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?

          • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            143·
            8 months ago

            Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.

            He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.

            There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.

            • turkishdelight@lemmy.mlEnglish
              36·
              8 months ago

              The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                8 months ago

                Firstly, who says that’s happening?

                And secondly, this isn’t entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I’m not saying this is your view, btw) don’t give the slightest fuck about gay people and you’re fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren’t, and it’s harmful to the business.

                Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.

                Even from a cold-hearted “fuck human rights, I care only about market share” POV, Eich was still an awful CEO decision.

          • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            115·
            8 months ago

            Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.

    • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      756·
      9 months ago

      There is one issues though… Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I’m Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don’t work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn’t to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.

      • the16bitgamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        26·
        9 months ago

        This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.

      • RedSeries@lemmy.worldEnglish
        131·
        9 months ago

        I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But… Yeah that’s valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I’m almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.

        • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          8 months ago

          Site devs need to see the threat from browser engine monopolies too. Valve literally started pouring resources into Linux gaming just because Microsoft looked like they were trying to dominate game stores on Windows. Chromium actually dominates the web. I guess at least base chromium is open source. Still though, one of those markets is way bigger than the other and it definitely isn’t Linux gaming. (God I love Proton/WINE and how far we’ve come!)

      • dai@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        8 months ago

        Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.

        At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.

        Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.

        However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it’s pretty hard to shake that stank.

        If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.

      • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        I just have a shitty phone. Lol don’t buy a Pixel 6. (Unless you pick it up really cheap for temporary use)

  • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.mlEnglish
    22810·
    8 months ago

    Brave is garbage. It’s a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)

    • Clandestine@lemmy.zipEnglish
      297·
      8 months ago

      I can’t say I disagree, I’ve long abandoned it on my PC.

      But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I’m still using it on my phone.

      • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
        611·
        8 months ago

        But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone

        It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.

          • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
            33·
            8 months ago

            Las time I could not watch youtube vids in the background in firefox.

            I also had trouble getting files that download multiple files at once to work on firefox.

    • Goodtoknow@lemmy.caEnglish
      1510·
      8 months ago

      Brave on iOS is one of the more legitimate ways of getting an ad blocker

    • elwy@fedit.ioEnglish
      1013·
      8 months ago

      At least on android Firefox has Google tracking built into the app among much other tracking/ads. If you don’t like Brave you may want to consider a Firefox fork. On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

      Edit: I forgot criticizing Firefox is wrongthink on the fediverse and will get you donwnvoted no matter what. Even if it’s in the context of advising people to switch FROM Brave TO a Firefox fork on Android.

      • Syrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        8 months ago

        On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

        Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.

      • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        8 months ago

        I’m not sure if fennec has it, it’s the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.

        • elwy@fedit.ioEnglish
          2·
          8 months ago

          Fennec doesn’t have any of it (Google Analytics, Pocket, Mozilla Tracking), which is why it’s my choice of mobile browser. It’s on FDroid

    • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
      316·
      8 months ago

      Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.

      And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.

      The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don’t even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.

        • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
          62·
          8 months ago

          Brave is an interesting case, they found a way to make money that doesn’t involve tracking their users, making deals with google or be closed source lol

          If you hate that fine, I definitely prefer that than the other alternatives lol.

    • 13@kbin.run
      519·
      8 months ago

      @AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml @FatCat@lemmy.world Brave may have its flaws but at least it has an offline Dino game, what does Firefox have?

    • agelord@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      8 months ago

      Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I’m genuinely curious.

      • tiny_electron@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        161·
        8 months ago

        This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5 while it is not the case when looking at the raw numbers.

        Any variation can look impressive if you zoom enough, that’s why you need a baseline at 0. This way you see thé entire scale of the phenomenon

        • summerof69@lemm.eeEnglish
          42·
          8 months ago

          This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5

          How so? It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.

          • geissi@feddit.deEnglish
            111·
            8 months ago

            It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.

            Yes but the graph goes from 2 rectangles above the bottom line to 8 rectangles above the bottom line in that final surge.
            So visually, it looks like it has quadrupled.

            • SwampYankee@mander.xyzEnglish
              5·
              8 months ago

              While I agree for the sake of clarity, a bigger problem is that it only goes back less than 2 months. Has the number of installs been steady at 7k for a long time? Or does it fluctuate wildly like this occasionally for reasons totally unrelated to laws?

              • geissi@feddit.deEnglish
                2·
                8 months ago

                I was just clarifying the original comment about the baseline not being 0.
                Tbh, I hadn’t even looked at it properly and only noticed now that the timeline isn’t one month per box.

    • Ross_audio@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2039·
      9 months ago

      No it doesn’t.

      It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It’s not a scientific paper.

      It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That’s significant enough to shout about.

      Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That’s huge.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dkEnglish
        424·
        9 months ago

        It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine

        Define “perfectly fine”. It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.

      • geissi@feddit.deEnglish
        131·
        8 months ago

        It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph

        But you don’t get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
        The graph height increases by 300% in the last 3 months 9 days.

      • Hobbes@startrek.websiteEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • just_change_it@lemmy.worldEnglish
    755·
    9 months ago

    I mean sure I guess… but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don’t trust their bullshit at all.

    After all who doesn’t want a crypto wallet in their browser? that’s the safest place for it right?

    • FauxPseudo @lemmy.worldEnglish
      1221·
      9 months ago

      I guess if you have no experience with it then that’s a perfect response. Meanwhile I’ve got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I’d be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That’s money they didn’t have so they are fine with that.

      I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.

  • Kairos@lemmy.todayEnglish
    66·
    8 months ago

    Reminder that this graph does not start at zero. Still a ~(EDIT: 50)% increase.

    • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      8 months ago

      take home message from this graph: if we shift the graph down by ~7K, you can see that we have roughly increased our user base by a factor of 100!

  • Voyajer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    552·
    9 months ago

    I’ve been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don’t remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.

    • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      9 months ago

      I have been using Firefox as the default browser on my iPhone for a while now. It wasn’t complicated to setup either.

      • utopiah@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        9 months ago

        Same here but it’s not Firefox with its own Engine, it’s a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple’s restriction.

    • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      12·
      9 months ago

      There are a bunch of apps that strictly require Chrome for their in-app custom tabs, though. I have to re-install Chrome on occasion because I can’t log into apps without it. Also, having Chrome installed at all makes it impossible to NOT set a default browser (i.e. to have it ask every time), which is what I prefer since I use several different browsers for different use cases. (Note: this is on Pixel. Never had that problem on my older phones.)

      • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
        Including that some features are optional.

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        I have Firefox set up and never was the in-app browser firefox

        How I know? I have dark reader active on those pages and usually websites don’t reflect system primary settings.

        • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          I think it used to be possible to set your default “custom tabs” browser as well, but I don’t think it is anymore. I’m not totally sure though.

          I don’t know why these apps use custom tabs in the first place. It’s always struck me as a solution in search of a problem.

  • fne8w2ah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    545·
    8 months ago

    Still wouldn’t touch Brave Browser due to their past crypto shenanigans.

      • locuester@lemmy.zipEnglish
        8·
        9 months ago

        Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.

        The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.

      • Pantherina@feddit.deEnglish
        81·
        8 months ago

        No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.

        We are not talking about Apple graph madness

        apple bullshit

      • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
        52·
        9 months ago

        Not really, no. You use a point of reference that’s clearly labeled. If you’d start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.

  • banghida@lemm.eeEnglish
    383·
    9 months ago

    They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.

  • redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    399·
    9 months ago

    The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.

    Edit: just saw from the comments this is the number of installs per day so its bigger than I thought

    • abhibeckert@lemmy.worldEnglish
      171·
      9 months ago

      A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.

      It’s about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you’d be pretty happy about that.

      Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.

  • WolfLink@lemmy.mlEnglish
    3613·
    9 months ago

    Misleading graph trying to make a 150% increase look like a 1000% increase.

    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
      249·
      9 months ago

      Read the left side? 7k-11k, the removed useless information, provided you read what is actually there first.

      • strawberry@kbin.run
        218·
        9 months ago

        no one reads that. didn’t even bother to look. should be more transparent IMO but whatever

        • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
          81·
          9 months ago

          If you don’t how are you supposed to know what information it’s telling you? It could shades of purple for all you know.

          • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.caEnglish
            31·
            9 months ago

            If you realize how most people act and think, you can tell them lies while telling the truth. Which is what people are usually trying to do when they start graphs away from zero.

            • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              8 months ago

              Or it’s removing white space so you can actually see the difference in the data. Like stocks, if stocks started at zero, you wouldn’t be able to see day to day or even a week to week difference…. Not everything can be covered by general rules.

              You can only properly understand the data by reading it, if you glance at it and make assumptions and conclusions, that only speaks volumes about yourself.

              • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.caEnglish
                21·
                8 months ago

                If counting from 1 to eleven is too hard for you, I don’t think observing that the scale is from 7 to 11 is within your grasp. So, why do this. Absolutely, there are reasons to not start a scale from zero, stocks are a great example, but I don’t think those reasons apply to this graph or the information they’re trying to convey.

                • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  Yeah… it just doesn’t work with the given information, there is actually a reason why they specifically posted the other one….

          • strawberry@kbin.run
            18·
            9 months ago

            well yea but this also isn’t like important stuff so I didn’t bother looking

              • strawberry@kbin.run
                26·
                9 months ago

                you say that as if everyone analyses every aspect of everything they encounter. most people will glance at the graph, see a huge jump, and not look into it more. that’s why statistics are so easy to falsify or make misleading

                • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  61·
                  9 months ago

                  If you want to engage in a conversation or use that information, yes you should properly read it. What could possibly be added to a discussion otherwise? Just having people have to correct and call out your bullshit? Lmfao.

                  Since you are engaging in comments within a post about this, everyone would assume you read the graph properly, since you obviously can’t add to a conversation without actually knowing the information.

                  So yes, leave your idiocy elsewhere next time, read the shit, or don’t add your opinion, really simple concept.