• @fosforus
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        6 months ago

        Sometimes war is necessary because some people want to ruin things more than some people want peace.

        • @deegeese
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          106 months ago

          Making war on their neighbors will not bring peace to Israel.

          • tygerprints
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            86 months ago

            No it will only multiply the human chaos and misery in the middle East. And guarantee future retaliation from terrorist cells.

          • @fosforus
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            6 months ago

            Well that’s just clearly historically false. Israel wouldn’t even exist without them making war on their neighbors. Or as it initially played out, without winning wars against their neighbors who started those wars.

            About Palestine specifically, it doesn’t seem that not making war against them worked brilliantly either.

        • tygerprints
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          46 months ago

          I dunno, but I’m totally anti-war even if there are some people (terrorists, criminals, republicans) who want to ruin things for everyone else. I’ll never support Israel in their brutal retaliation against Gaza but I could never support any Palestinians who lug weapons around or use them to hurt others either. What is clear is that giving men guns or weapons guarantees an outbreak of war (they aren’t going to use them to make nice lamps for the living room). My bumper sticker says, to make peace you have to prepare for peace. I guess that’s too hard in this world.

          • @fosforus
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            26 months ago

            I think that is a 100% admirable position and its only weakness (sadly a big one) is that not everyone thinks like that.

            • tygerprints
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              36 months ago

              Thank you and I agree that is the fatal weakness of my argument. But, in a way that’s why I feel the need to make it. It’s like putting a pat of butter on an ear of corn, hopefully some of it will melt and sink in if people think about it enough.

      • @Kornblumenratte@feddit.de
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        56 months ago

        This is Chamberlain in October 1938, returning from Munich to London, waving the Munich Agreement, confident to have appeased Hitler by betraying Czechoslovakia and to have secured eternal peace for Europe. Worked like a charm for 11 month.