A British doctor who used to work at Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest medical center, under which the IDF says Hamas operates a major command and control base, has confirmed that there were areas of the hospital where he could not go, or else he would be shot.

In a recent interview with the English-language channel of French broadcaster France24…

  • Zaktor
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    7 months ago

    I think the Israeli government doesn’t give a flying fuck about your rage.

    Don’t push it off on the Israeli government. I’m not talking to them and you’re not a neutral third party just making observations. I’m talking to you and your shitty justifications for mass murder. You are an active participant.

    It means they are taking the time to be carful, both on their soldiers and, as much as possible Palestinan civilians.

    How on earth do you believe this? This is your brain on decades of nationalistic propaganda.

    They could have killed every last Palestinan cheaply and quickly without the harm to Israeli population and economy.

    You want a pat on the back for not just nuking it? Even Israel’s rightwing regime knows there are limits before even the US has had too much. So they go slow and steady, destroying infrastructure and houses and then says “look how hard it is to stay in Gaza, you should just leave”. Not doing maximal war crimes isn’t praiseworthy.

    Most of all, it makes me sad to see the progressive left tie it self with Hamas (WTF). Replying from from rage and calling to the extermination of Israel (not very progressive) with false claims about the war in Gaza. With zero understanding of the reality of war.

    No one is rooting for fucking Hamas. This is a straw man to make you feel like the people calling you out are ignorant or immoral so you don’t need to address it. And I understand the reality of war and the culpability of the individual citizens. When my country was beating the war drums and then committing crimes against humanity, I protested, not made excuses for it.

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      I’m talking to you and your shitty justifications for mass murder. You are an active participant.

      How sweet, I am however not an IDF soldier, never was, never will be. You have funny definition of active.

      How on earth do you believe this? This is your brain on decades of nationalistic propaganda.

      Because they sent foot soldiers in, instead of flattninf Gaza Strip.

      Even Israel’s rightwing regime knows there are limits before even the US has had too much.

      Israel government is not ‘right wing’. The majority of it is populist, they have no values, their only agenda is theft of public funds.

      It does contain right wing elemnts, they don’t only want to kill every person in Gaza, but every non-Jewish person in the area of greater Israel. By their world view, Jewish born that don’t follow religious teaching should be killed too.

      The temporary war government also contains elements that want peace with the Palestinans and willing to share Jerusalem.

      No one is rooting for fucking Hamas. This is a straw man to make you feel like the people calling you out are ignorant or immoral so you don’t need to address it.

      First, the call ‘from the river to sea’ is a call against the two states solution. This is a call for mass murder. If you call it while waving Palatinate’s flag, I will assume you support Hamas. Secondly, if you missed my opnion about West Bank settlers: a bunch of terrorists that should be treated as such.

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        How sweet, I am however not an IDF soldier, never was, never will be. You have funny definition of active.

        You’re speaking. Defending mass murder. Do you understand that “being an active participant” in “justifying mass murder” is not about actually shooting people? It’s not Israel or rightwingers or some other impersonal entity justifying mass murder. It’s you.

        You keep responding to words with weird responses that don’t make sense and I can’t tell if it’s reading comprehension or deflection.

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          7 months ago

          You missed the point of what I wrote.

          Israel, currently, has two options:

          1. Dismantle Hamas’ infrastructure - requires mass murder
          2. a. Get constantly bombarded and invaded again by Hamas … b. Seem weak, which will lead to attacked by more more parties.

          Meaning that Gazans or Israelis, someone getting mass murdered. That the situation there.

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            7 months ago

            Those are very definitely not the only two options, but thinking in such a binary is a good way to pretend you had no choice but to mass murder. There are a lot of ways to fight a war other than indiscriminately dropping bombs on civilian areas. You just can’t drop more bombs on a tiny area than the US dropped in a year and pretend its a measured response. Hamas simply isn’t beneath half the buildings in Gaza.

            Flattening entire neighborhoods isn’t making Israel safe. Dropping bombs that kill journalists and UN isn’t making Israel safe. Invading hospitals for what appears to be stale intelligence and a handful of rifles isn’t making Israel safe. You can’t mass murder your way out of terrorism. Hamas doesn’t need the half-dozen rifles Israel tries to use to justify storming a hospital. They need people to viscerally hate Israelis. And frankly, Israel could have prevented the mass murder simply by actually defending its border instead of shifting military east to support the illegal land grabs, so presenting that as an inevitability is just an excuse to silence the voice that knows what’s happening in Gaza is wrong.

            You seem like you want to be a moral person concerned about injustice, but you’ve constructed all these flimsy justifications to come to the conclusion that ten thousand dead and most of Northern Gaza being destroyed is the only possible option. It’s just ridiculous.

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              The current violence doesn’t make Israel safe in the long run. It’s a short term solution.

              Solving the issue with less violence was possible 10-20 years ago.

              There is solution that is completelly without violence, some of the forces are non-rational and driven by religion.