Cross posted from Discuit

  • Tuukka R
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    9 hours ago

    Yup, because the burden of proof is on the one who made the claim. But that only allows us to say the text is not necessarily true.

    When you say the op is lying, that’s a new claim, where the burden of proof is on you.

    • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
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      9 hours ago

      Actually the burden of proof not necessarily always on the one who made the claim. But it is on the person who has the less credible claim.

      I don’t need to prove it’s false. I just need to demonstrate that, taken at face value, the more prudent thing to do is assume this post is at least partially made up. And given the details of it, the most likely scenario is that the story is not 100% true.

      • Tuukka R
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        9 hours ago

        …although, because selling a house ASAP if you have a loan with large payments for it, is the only logical course of action if long-term unemployment is assumed, nothing to that extent has been demonstrated.

        • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
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          9 hours ago

          I have addressed this point several times across several comments. Surely you’ve seen it.

          • Tuukka R
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            5 hours ago

            Repetition does not make an unsound argument sound.

            • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
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              5 hours ago

              ok…so why do I need to repeat myself…? You’re literally advocating against the thing you’re asking me to do.

              Let’s also cut the bullshit and not pretend like you already knew that. You came up with this as a clever quip after you realized I’ve already talked about it. Can we please stop it with the childish games? Make your point or fuck off.

              • Tuukka R
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                4 hours ago

                Uh, then I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

                I have been trying to convince you that you should find some argument that actually holds water, or stop playing that your argument is sound.

                In any case, you asked me to make my point, so here goes: Nothing in the post gives you enough data to claim that it’s a lie. You can say that the claim sounds implausible to you, but you cannot outright tell that it’s a falsehood, unless there is a reason to think so. And you say the reason to think so is that someone was doing the only logical thing, and you say – for whatever reason – that it’s extremely rare to do the most logical thing in such a situation.

                It’s funny how you keep dodging everything I say :)