• naeap
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    2 days ago

    So, attacking Georgia was also just self defence, because Russia is always somehow the victim and just wants to make things right?

    That’s a bit much in my book

    Russia obviously has imperialistic motives, Putin himself even said, that he wants to build up the USSR again.

    Of course they’re imperialistic.
    And I’m very sure, they won’t stop at Ukraine.

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      2 days ago

      Putin himself even said, that he wants to build up the USSR again.

      That is a trope that doesn’t mean invading for no reason. The US wants to build a manufacturing base again. Also what he actually said that its too bad the USSR disolved. Times were better then.

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        He actually said, that he wants to rebuild Russia to the old USSR size and it was a failure to let it break apart

        And still, why did he attack Georgia?

        Should we just let Russia attack other nations randomly, because somehow their nostalgic feelings get hurt or they somehow feel misunderstood and threatened?

        There were many approaches to talks before the invasion and Russia always just talked about a training - until they actually invaded.

        How should we deal with someone who constantly breaks his word?
        (Same thing for the USA, but that’s another topic)

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          2 days ago

          And still, why did he attack Georgia?

          Same story of CIA puppetry causing a separatist movement. Ukrainian nazi got power in Georgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili

          He shit disturbed country enough to create secessionist movement that Russia chose to defend.

          Russia always just talked about a training - until they actually invaded.

          Dead wrong. They were serious about red lines.

          How should we deal with someone who constantly breaks his word?

          You have to distinguish between Ukrainian nazi BS accusations of breaking his word, and facts. Facts require looking at world from all sides.

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            So, poor Russia always got tricked into needing to invade foreign sovereign states, to save the people there and itself with it?

            Oh come on…
            I don’t believe in fairy tales

            Edit: and so Europes defense plans are a threat against Russia as well?
            https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-eu-defense-plans-kremlin-retaliatory-measures/
            So, we must not prepare to possibly defend ourselves, because else we will get attacked?
            And if not, well then we’re easier to take over…

            Great logic here

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              1 day ago

              picking a side in civil war is also what they did in Afghanistan. US puppeteering civil wars in ex CIS states is something you should focus on more.

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                I’m not picking a side

                I’m saying that Russias politics are full of shit, just like the US counterparts.
                Just don’t paint the Russian aggression as a happy liberation thing, while they kill thousands of people.
                Same shit the USA does with their “democracy” the bring to 3rd world countries.

                So, if you want to blame the USA for their shit, you can’t just say, that Russia is just happily trying to survive. They’re doing the exact same shit

                Imperialism is imperialism.

                Edit: maybe you missed my update to my last answer, so here again:

                and so Europes defense plans are a threat against Russia as well?
                https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-eu-defense-plans-kremlin-retaliatory-measures/
                So, we must not prepare to possibly defend ourselves, because else we will get attacked?
                And if not, well then we’re easier to take over…

                Great logic here