They are a fair alternative nutrient wise but you’d be ignorant to think they where not already in the poor mans basket.
Eggs are distinctly more versatility and require next to zero prep time. Spending time in the kitchen is a luxury a single parents with multiple jobs may not have when trying to make their kids a quick healthy meal before going back on the clock.
Does a lower egg demand really lower the chance of a deadly pandemic?
The way i understand it famers will continue try to maximize their chicken populations because capitalism. Especially in time of scarcity everyone dreams of being the biggest supplier.
I reason there would be a technical solution in a full on chicken genocide. They can’t spread disease if they are already dead. This would result in no eggs for anyone. But animal welfare advocates may want a word with you.
But even from an animal welfare pov, the way chickens are housed is completely inhumane and the end of this industry would be a net positive and spearhead the availability of much more ethically labproduced chicken.
Nuanced genocide??
This is a very interesting (though messed up) line of thinking. Can you elaborate what you ment specifically?
Once again, Americans aren’t protien deficient. There’s plenty of cheap, easy to eat stuff that Americans could eat for breakfast instead.
Does a banana for breakfast take prep time? Does an apple? Oh wait, no it doesn’t y’all are just fucking addicted to protein and eat way too much of it. Nobody needs to eat that much protein literally every day.
You originally asked for good price/protein ratio to replace eggs and I gave you that.
Do you exercise at all? Recommendation is minimum 0.8g of protein per pound of lean muscle mass. If you’re twig thin and unfit, sure, you don’t need much. For me it means at least 116g of protein daily.
It’s not addiction, it’s tracking my macros and living as healthy a life as possible.
No offense but theres lots of western propaganda coupled protein obsession in your comments. Like the other dude said, you arent protein deficient and neither are Americans, and you most definitely dont need fucking eggs for cheap protein.
Also, YOU DONT NEED THAT MUCH PROTEIN EVERY DAY WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
It is actually insane how many Americans know fuck all about food but act like they do, yall have been propagandized beyond belief regarding food, protein, and god knows what else.
You’re making a mountain out of a molehill, the recommendations are really not that different unless you’re severely underweight or overweight. US recommendation is definitely higher, but it’s commonly misunderstood because the recommendation is 0.8g of protein per pound of lean body weight (muscle mass), not full weight.
EFSA and the WHO recommend .66g of protein to full body weight, or PRI of .83g per kg full weight, and note that intake of up to double the PRI is acceptable and safe.
Doing the math, my PRI intake would be 74g of protein (and up to double that considered safe), while my US recommendation would be 116. Yes it’s more, but not by that much. On average I probably actually take in between 90g and 115g of protein a day, give or take a bit.
Not to mention, with lifestyle related items, I’m fine with my higher intake, and it has nothing to do with being American.
As a well controlled T2 Diabetic, I take in a much lower amount of carbs than the average person to maintain good glucose levels. This means supplementing with fiber options, avoiding simple sugars and carbs, mostly avoiding pastas and rice (or keeping them to a minimum at least), and my general intake of proteins and fats are higher to make up my daily nutritional requirements. It’s literally necessary for my health and TDEE. Most people get the bulk of their daily calories from carbohydrates, and I can’t do that.
Regarding the exercise, example from today:
30 minutes walking on treadmill at 2.4 MPH to warm up
45 minutes intense weight training, including free weights, kettlebells, dead hangs, etc.
This is a regular routine for me 3 - 4x weekly
As someone who works out frequently both cardio and weightlifting, I want that protein to maintain and grow muscle mass, as this is one of the ways I control my glucose levels and it has a dramatic effect. Exercise is my main way of managing my sugar levels, along with a low dose of metformin XR daily. See:
I’m not a scientist and I always mix up whether it’s glycolysis or glycogenesis, but basically, glycogen reuptake to the muscles is good for muscle repair and carrying the glucose out of the bloodstream to more active storage in the muscles is good for me.
And to finalize, I’m not obsessed with eggs either. I have no qualms getting protein from any decent source including:
various beans (soy, red kidney, occasionally pinto, red and green lentils, etc.)
tofu
peas
chicken
turkey
soy and whey supplements when needed
edamame (though this is hard to find in my area)
pork
beef
salmon
peanut butter (as long as the ingredients are only peanuts, or peanuts and salt)
cashews
roasted peanuts
cottage cheese
etc.
Eggs are certainly a part of the diet, but I can work around that if needed.
This may shock you, but I’ve been managing this since I was 30, got into health and fitness. Now in my 40s and regularly maintain an A1c between 5.5 and 6.2.
I’m healthy and fit. I work out 3-4 times weekly with weights and recently kettlebells, and I have a walking treadmill I use intermittently while working, as well as an Airbike for cardio. I eat healthy and low carb and have curbed the behaviors that triggered my condition and have maintained this over a decade.
Fuck you for judging. I have a life long condition I have to manage. I did not give up on managing it and Diabetes won’t be what kills me.
You referenced that baked goods need eggs… Yet if you’re diabetic, you should be making a crustless/cheeseless quiche… which doesn’t really count as a baked good then now does it? Now it’s just baked eggs. You’ve taken out the “baked good” of a quiche (the crust). So either you’re eating an unhealthy quiche for your diabetes, or I don’t know what you’re doing or trying to say.
Is this comment where i appear to have expressed ignorance about the existence of basic economic principles in the room with us right now?
Your “solutions” to stop buying eggs in favor of lentils shows an inability to perceive reality outside of your own subjective comfort bubble. But for an American i guess thats not all that atypical.
Nah I just see someone who keeps moving goalposts. First what’s a good protein/price ratio, you don’t like that answer, then it’s “it’s not just about Ameirca” in an article specifically about America, and then “but I know how economics works!” despite demand actually dropping in some other countries (in particular a country that is highly vegetarian). Now it’s about eggs being a comfort food or something.
Legumes where a technically correct answer as i admitted but it shows a greater non understanding of poverty which was my initial point.
It was never about America to me. It was about eggs being a very important food item for poor people. While you where saying to just stop relying on them.
Its was never about the economy or why the price is as what it is. It was about eggs and poverty.
last comment is a conclusion i made that people with your world view must have a comfortable life or else you would understand what others go trough.
Are we done? Were clearly not going to agree on this. I dont mind that, this is context for other people also.
Eggs had a high protein/price ratio which made them an important food for poor people as a meat substitute.
What do you propose they should get instead?
Lentils, chickpeas, black beans, kidney beans, lima beans, edamame, peas…
Americans aren’t protein deficient.
So all legumes every day then?
They are a fair alternative nutrient wise but you’d be ignorant to think they where not already in the poor mans basket.
Eggs are distinctly more versatility and require next to zero prep time. Spending time in the kitchen is a luxury a single parents with multiple jobs may not have when trying to make their kids a quick healthy meal before going back on the clock.
I mean, if it means avoiding a deadly pandemic, maybe?
Never considered this in all honesty.
Does a lower egg demand really lower the chance of a deadly pandemic?
The way i understand it famers will continue try to maximize their chicken populations because capitalism. Especially in time of scarcity everyone dreams of being the biggest supplier.
I reason there would be a technical solution in a full on chicken genocide. They can’t spread disease if they are already dead. This would result in no eggs for anyone. But animal welfare advocates may want a word with you.
But even from an animal welfare pov, the way chickens are housed is completely inhumane and the end of this industry would be a net positive and spearhead the availability of much more ethically labproduced chicken.
Nuanced genocide??
This is a very interesting (though messed up) line of thinking. Can you elaborate what you ment specifically?
Once again, Americans aren’t protien deficient. There’s plenty of cheap, easy to eat stuff that Americans could eat for breakfast instead.
Does a banana for breakfast take prep time? Does an apple? Oh wait, no it doesn’t y’all are just fucking addicted to protein and eat way too much of it. Nobody needs to eat that much protein literally every day.
You originally asked for good price/protein ratio to replace eggs and I gave you that.
Do you exercise at all? Recommendation is minimum 0.8g of protein per pound of lean muscle mass. If you’re twig thin and unfit, sure, you don’t need much. For me it means at least 116g of protein daily.
It’s not addiction, it’s tracking my macros and living as healthy a life as possible.
No offense but theres lots of western propaganda coupled protein obsession in your comments. Like the other dude said, you arent protein deficient and neither are Americans, and you most definitely dont need fucking eggs for cheap protein.
Also, YOU DONT NEED THAT MUCH PROTEIN EVERY DAY WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
It is actually insane how many Americans know fuck all about food but act like they do, yall have been propagandized beyond belief regarding food, protein, and god knows what else.
You’re making a mountain out of a molehill, the recommendations are really not that different unless you’re severely underweight or overweight. US recommendation is definitely higher, but it’s commonly misunderstood because the recommendation is 0.8g of protein per pound of lean body weight (muscle mass), not full weight.
EFSA and the WHO recommend .66g of protein to full body weight, or PRI of .83g per kg full weight, and note that intake of up to double the PRI is acceptable and safe.
Doing the math, my PRI intake would be 74g of protein (and up to double that considered safe), while my US recommendation would be 116. Yes it’s more, but not by that much. On average I probably actually take in between 90g and 115g of protein a day, give or take a bit.
Not to mention, with lifestyle related items, I’m fine with my higher intake, and it has nothing to do with being American.
Regarding the exercise, example from today:
As someone who works out frequently both cardio and weightlifting, I want that protein to maintain and grow muscle mass, as this is one of the ways I control my glucose levels and it has a dramatic effect. Exercise is my main way of managing my sugar levels, along with a low dose of metformin XR daily. See:
I’m not a scientist and I always mix up whether it’s glycolysis or glycogenesis, but basically, glycogen reuptake to the muscles is good for muscle repair and carrying the glucose out of the bloodstream to more active storage in the muscles is good for me.
And to finalize, I’m not obsessed with eggs either. I have no qualms getting protein from any decent source including:
etc.
Eggs are certainly a part of the diet, but I can work around that if needed.
Says the type 2 diabetic?
This may shock you, but I’ve been managing this since I was 30, got into health and fitness. Now in my 40s and regularly maintain an A1c between 5.5 and 6.2.
I’m healthy and fit. I work out 3-4 times weekly with weights and recently kettlebells, and I have a walking treadmill I use intermittently while working, as well as an Airbike for cardio. I eat healthy and low carb and have curbed the behaviors that triggered my condition and have maintained this over a decade.
Fuck you for judging. I have a life long condition I have to manage. I did not give up on managing it and Diabetes won’t be what kills me.
You’re the one who brought up your diabetes man.
You referenced that baked goods need eggs… Yet if you’re diabetic, you should be making a crustless/cheeseless quiche… which doesn’t really count as a baked good then now does it? Now it’s just baked eggs. You’ve taken out the “baked good” of a quiche (the crust). So either you’re eating an unhealthy quiche for your diabetes, or I don’t know what you’re doing or trying to say.
Like, really, pick a lane.
My lane is “glad I’m not you.” That’s a blessing.
I hope everyone you meet is as pleasant as you are.
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Your ignorance was already zipped down and on display but now you really took your pants off.
Egg prices have risen globally. America doesn’t have a monopoly on this problem.
Egg prices have risen globally because of bird flu not demand increases.
The demand has stayed the same, the supply has dropped.
I’m not seeing news about people in India renting chickens just to be able to get their egg fix.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/bird-flu-fear-hits-poultry-sales-as-consumers-shift-to-alternatives/articleshow/118538931.cms
Is this comment where i appear to have expressed ignorance about the existence of basic economic principles in the room with us right now?
Your “solutions” to stop buying eggs in favor of lentils shows an inability to perceive reality outside of your own subjective comfort bubble. But for an American i guess thats not all that atypical.
Nah I just see someone who keeps moving goalposts. First what’s a good protein/price ratio, you don’t like that answer, then it’s “it’s not just about Ameirca” in an article specifically about America, and then “but I know how economics works!” despite demand actually dropping in some other countries (in particular a country that is highly vegetarian). Now it’s about eggs being a comfort food or something.
Legumes where a technically correct answer as i admitted but it shows a greater non understanding of poverty which was my initial point.
It was never about America to me. It was about eggs being a very important food item for poor people. While you where saying to just stop relying on them.
Its was never about the economy or why the price is as what it is. It was about eggs and poverty.
last comment is a conclusion i made that people with your world view must have a comfortable life or else you would understand what others go trough.
Are we done? Were clearly not going to agree on this. I dont mind that, this is context for other people also.