Those people knew and voted for that guy regardless so this is not fixing anything and looks quite bad for the democratic process, especially to them. Do you believe mainstream parties don’t do the same internet influence campaigns? Suppose this Georgescu guy is guilty of various campaign financing issues but where’s the due process?
Yes, I agree, but doing nothing is a problem too. I didn’t follow the court case, but I assume the fact that this came from the court means there was due process.
I think the problem is less that he has campaign finance issues, more that there is a foreign government purposely undermining free elections in another country.
I somehow doubt that couple of days is enough for prosecution to make a case or for judges to go through the evidence. Due process traditionally allows for appeals too.
I’m from Poland where previous populist right government set up constitutional court with their own politicians and it will take time to replace them legally. Currently that court is a laughing stock because they rule on everything, mostly outside of what they actually can, seemingly on their own and at moments notice.
What Romanian constitutional court did sounds kinda similar and it worries me. Are we throwing away democracy because otherwise we get fascism? I’m not sure if we’re not going to end with fascism anyway, just with liberal aesthetics.
Yes, it’s a worry. However, look at America where Russian election interference led to Trump. Then he did illegal things was impeached but is now reelected and faces no consequences as he was able to slow walk the courts.
In 2016 Russian influence campaigns targeted both Clinton and Trump to sow mistrust in the democratic process so it’s not the whole story. This year Trump, on his own (and his billionaire friends) won by a landslide in terms of popular vote. There was interference for sure but it’s not enough to affect elections by this margin. It’s being told like that to absolve ourselves from bearing responsibility for creating a reality where half of the population feels left out to the point where they want to demolish everything.
I think you’re missing the point. You’re asking for due process rather than a redo. I’m pointing out that an election from 8 years ago with known interference faced no real consequences as once they are in power, the consequences go away.
@misk you sumed up perfectly. The danger still exists and what the power does is just making use of some legal levers to kick the nazis out. If they ever get in power, this is not gonna end well for us.
However, the solution was still not to continue with the election. The solution was to take action at the right time, not wait untill they become a real threat.
Hope the authorities will do their job better moving forward.
This is not going to rebuild trust in democratic institutions for those that voted for Georgescu. This is just kicking the can down the road.
True, but also allowing foreign interference in elections is also not confidence inspiring. Especially when it’s unnoticed and surreptitiously done.
Now people will get a closer look at him, he might get votes again, he might not. Either way, Russia won.
Those people knew and voted for that guy regardless so this is not fixing anything and looks quite bad for the democratic process, especially to them. Do you believe mainstream parties don’t do the same internet influence campaigns? Suppose this Georgescu guy is guilty of various campaign financing issues but where’s the due process?
Yes, I agree, but doing nothing is a problem too. I didn’t follow the court case, but I assume the fact that this came from the court means there was due process.
I think the problem is less that he has campaign finance issues, more that there is a foreign government purposely undermining free elections in another country.
I somehow doubt that couple of days is enough for prosecution to make a case or for judges to go through the evidence. Due process traditionally allows for appeals too.
I’m from Poland where previous populist right government set up constitutional court with their own politicians and it will take time to replace them legally. Currently that court is a laughing stock because they rule on everything, mostly outside of what they actually can, seemingly on their own and at moments notice.
What Romanian constitutional court did sounds kinda similar and it worries me. Are we throwing away democracy because otherwise we get fascism? I’m not sure if we’re not going to end with fascism anyway, just with liberal aesthetics.
Yes, it’s a worry. However, look at America where Russian election interference led to Trump. Then he did illegal things was impeached but is now reelected and faces no consequences as he was able to slow walk the courts.
In 2016 Russian influence campaigns targeted both Clinton and Trump to sow mistrust in the democratic process so it’s not the whole story. This year Trump, on his own (and his billionaire friends) won by a landslide in terms of popular vote. There was interference for sure but it’s not enough to affect elections by this margin. It’s being told like that to absolve ourselves from bearing responsibility for creating a reality where half of the population feels left out to the point where they want to demolish everything.
I think you’re missing the point. You’re asking for due process rather than a redo. I’m pointing out that an election from 8 years ago with known interference faced no real consequences as once they are in power, the consequences go away.
@misk you sumed up perfectly. The danger still exists and what the power does is just making use of some legal levers to kick the nazis out. If they ever get in power, this is not gonna end well for us.
However, the solution was still not to continue with the election. The solution was to take action at the right time, not wait untill they become a real threat.
Hope the authorities will do their job better moving forward.
@Hubi