heh

The only bad thing I noticed didn’t have to do with open registration. It was a bot commenter from a federated instance.

Is registration at least protected by CAPTCHA? Or is it completely open?

A suggested standard wouldn’t be a bad idea, as long as we don’t expect everyone to actually follow it. In addition to different communities having different requirements, mods of new communities are going to be hesitant to strictly enforce tagging while they’re starved for content. I tend to like having guidelines to follow though.

So basically a middleman instance with access to both? I like that idea a bit.

That was the original idea, a SFW burggit.social that federates with burggit.moe. Now I’m more thinking that the threadiverse in general will have its growth stunted if puritans remain in control. The internet is for porn, after all. Eventually most instances should be ones with well-defined, liberal federation policies, while those with more restrictive or arbitrary federation will be relegated to the sidelines. One such instance is needed to get this process started though, and the sooner the better.

I can already see the posts "X is federated with Y! Defederate against them too or you we’ll say you support child rape!’

Eh, they can try, but I don’t think they’ll get much traction. There haven’t been any calls to defederate fmhy or vlemmy AFAIK. Users on the other current big instances aren’t going to see any burggit content anyway, so they don’t need to care. Admins of those instances likewise don’t need to care, as the content isn’t touching their servers and causing possible jurisdictional legal issues for them. If you take those two cards away from the puritans, they lose a lot of power.

I’m suggesting it more for the general health of the threadiverse and as a way to keep burggit from being isolated, rather than for my own personal convenience. Something to counter the current puritan populist trend.

Of the top 10, the only instances that haven’t defederated us are lemmy.fmhy.ml, vlemmy.net, and programming.dev. I’m assuming that programming.dev is a fluke, and will defederate us as soon as they notice us. How do we know that fmhy and vlemmy won’t also defederate? They don’t have any specific federation policy posted. And if they won’t, are they capable of scaling up?

Speaking of defederations, I still think my “business in the front, party in the back” idea has some merit. I’d originally suggested it as a SFW version of burggit that’s federated with the original.

After thinking about it some more, I think it’d be better if someone were to spin up a new, otherwise unaffiliated generalist instance. It’d have a mainstream content policy in order to appeal to fleeing redditors, but a liberal federation policy. Basically just “make sure your users obey our rules when on our communities, and we’ll remain federated with you”. It’d probably still have to defederate exploding-heads, since they’re unlikely to actually behave, but no big loss there. We just need something to buck the trend of arbitrary defederations, and lay out explicit, reasonable, objective criteria for federation.

Does anyone here have the expertise to take on such a project, and potentially scale it up? I’m not in a position to do so, but I’d love to help out.

Initially found it through searching for incest communities on lemmynsfw. My initial impression wasn’t great, was expecting a bunch of 4chan types and didn’t really investigate further. Later on I came back and actually read the rules and decided the place looked okay after all.

Created an account on here specifically because I wanted to make a version of r/incestconfessions (plug) that wouldn’t be subject to the tyranny of the credit card companies, who are responsible for a lot of the sanitization that’s been imposed on much of the internet over the past decade or so. Not just Reddit, but also places like Fetlife and PornHub.

Hoping to see other kink communities migrate over here too, especially with lemmynsfw going full vanilla. It bothers me that all the mainstream instances have defederated us though. Reduces our visibility and makes it less likely that people who aren’t specifically seeking loli stuff will make their way over here. Nothing against people that like loli hentai, I’m just hoping for more breadth of interest.

If you don’t want the extra workload, that’s totally fair. You’re under no obligation to go out of your way here. However, if you’re just pessimistic about the odds of success, I’d urge you to contact the admins of the defederated instances and ask. Alternatively, I’d be willing to inquire on your behalf if you’d like.

I know the jurisdictional legality of loli is a concern, plus not wanting it to end up in All. Those would both be addressed by not federating with .moe directly. The other usual concerns about free speech instances are already addressed by your rules. The other admins may not even be aware of what the rules are here.

I think there is a general desire to keep the fediverse mostly connected, and that at least some admins would refederate once they know that you’re reasonable and that their concerns have been addressed.

anyone using burggit as their home lemmy should be able to still subscribe to lemmynsfw communities

There won’t be any further updates here from those communities. Their server won’t talk to ours at all.

With all these defederations, have you guys considered making a SFW version of burggit (maybe burggit.social?) that can stay federated with everything, and moving the SFW communities there? Then this instance could be “loli containment”, so to speak, still accessible from the SFW instance.

Also, from the post on lemmyNSFW, it sounds like people from here were crossposting loli stuff to there? You’d probably have to really commit to the “obey the rules when on other instances” rule.