I’m sure this will come as a disappointment to many of you as you have joined this instance specifically because we do not block or defederate with anybody. Unfortunately my hand is forced on this occasion. As many of you know this server is hosted in Ireland. It has been brought to my attention that under Irish law: Virtual child pornography is illegal in Ireland per the Child Trafficking and Pornography Act of 1998 which includes “any visual representation”.[Irish Statute Book] [http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/22/section/2/enacted/en/html#sec2] The country has strict laws when it comes to child abuse material, even if it doesn’t contain any “real children”. As you can understand this requires me to defederate and remove the offending material from my server. There are newer admin tools in the works which will allow me to block specific communities instead of whole servers. Once this is in place I will refederate with burggit and block the individual offending communities. This will also apply to other servers with offending content but as far as I’m aware burggit is the only one for the moment. I still maintain my ideal of not defederating as much as possible but sometimes its out of my hands. Thanks to everyone for helping create this vibrant community and for supporting. I am dedicated to make VLemmy the best it can be.

Another one down. Looks like their admin isn’t actively hostile to us, they’re just in a hostile jurisdiction:

I’m sure this will come as a disappointment to many of you as you have joined this instance specifically because we do not block or defederate with anybody. Unfortunately my hand is forced on this occasion.

As many of you know this server is hosted in Ireland. It has been brought to my attention that under Irish law:

Virtual child pornography is illegal in Ireland per the Child Trafficking and Pornography Act of 1998 which includes “any visual representation”.[Irish Statute Book] The country has strict laws when it comes to child abuse material, even if it doesn’t contain any “real children”.

As you can understand this requires me to defederate and remove the offending material from my server. There are newer admin tools in the works which will allow me to block specific communities instead of whole servers. Once this is in place I will refederate with burggit and block the individual offending communities.

This will also apply to other servers with offending content but as far as I’m aware burggit is the only one for the moment.

I still maintain my ideal of not defederating as much as possible but sometimes its out of my hands.

Thanks to everyone for helping create this vibrant community and for supporting. I am dedicated to make VLemmy the best it can be.

  • Disa@burggit.moeM
    12·
    1 year ago

    This is probably one of if not the most respectful defederation we’ve had. Their reasons for doing this are very understandable, and they even said they would refederate once they have the ability to block individual communities, which are illegal in the jurisdiction they host in. Honestly, very pleased with this mature stance on defederation.

    • f(loat || loathe)@burggit.moe
      2·
      1 year ago

      yup, they also implied in another post that if they refederate, they will actually try to get tools to block loli stuff from the front page and from any unwitting spectator, but allow it to be followed and browsed from vlemmy.

      on another note, i made a list with all the blocks & blocked, only the first 48 links in the fedidb lemmy list. (here’s the json if u wanna play w it)

      funny to see this one:

      sidenote, the only reason why sopuli hasn’t blocked us is prolly cuz they don’t know cuz they blocked lemmynsfw.

    • MikaGoesDown@burggit.moe
      3·
      1 year ago

      Strange, I wonder why that is. Simply a vocal minority in the second post since it got less traffic? Or maybe seeing an authority figure take a favorable stance, as the VLemmy admin did, had influence?

      • KilotonPress@burggit.moe
        3·
        1 year ago

        Simply put: People who go through the effort of commenting under a thread tend to follow the lead of the post in question. Whether it be taking it in the same or the opposite direction, the OP is the one who dictates the flow. Exceptions to this include ‘hot button’ topics where people have pre-formed opinions and when a community in general is predisposed to being fiery vs cool-headed.

      • MomoNeedsCorrection@burggit.moe
        2·
        1 year ago

        Looking through both threads, and given my experience on the bird website, I lean heavily towards it being an extremely vocal minority, almost certainly padded by off site people brigading, or using multiple accounts, because it’s the exact same tired out playbook the bird site antis use

  • MikaGoesDown@burggit.moe
    4·
    1 year ago

    This seems like an opportune moment to ask: is there a post on this site somewhere detailing the legality status by country? There is the every useful wiki page, but still external references would be helpful. For example, take the US. Nominally illegal (ish, and depending on state), but practically seems very difficult to enforce due to ambiguity of language unless you have some other, related, offense.

    • The Man With Shoes For Hands@burggit.moe
      5·
      1 year ago

      One of the best resources I have found is this Wikipedia article which goes through basically each country and gives a basic rundown of the laws. I wish the page on exclusively fictional content was as informative as this one is, but unfortunately, it is not. To go even deeper into each country’s laws would require you know the language of said country, as I feel most sources would likely be in the country’s native language as opposed to english. Since like, it’s most likely you’d want to know the laws of a country if you lived in said country, so the most informative information would be in the native language.

  • Burger@burggit.moe
    3·
    1 year ago

    Speaking of, there has to be a better way to detect instances that have defederated. https://fba.ryona.agency definitely isn’t listing some of them. It makes our “still federated” list less accurate.