Jun Bird

@informapirata @fediverso Comunque non parlerei di “piani di decentralizzazione di Threads”, perché nulla in questa tabella di marcia avrà l’effetto di decentralizzare Threads. Sono più che altro piani di integrazione di Threads col Fediverso.

@informapirata @fediverso Leggendo la prima voce della lista, mi sorge il dubbio: i post e gli utenti di Threads sono già visibili tramite istanze AP (o quantomeno Mastodon) che non l’hanno defederato?

@damtux Appartengo proprio a un dipartimento di informatica (sono uno studente che si accinge a cominciare la magistrale) e onestamente non credo che nell’amministrazione troverei molta gente interessata a qualcosa del genere (anche perché in generale mi sembra pure che ci sia poco interesse circa le alternative open source al sw commerciale).

@damtux è tipo un annetto che ho 'sta idea di aprire un’istanza per gli studenti del mio dipartimento (anche se in realtà non ci sarebbe modo di limitare l’accesso agli studenti di altri dipartimenti), ma non ho onestamente esperienza nella gestione di un server, né umana, né tecnica (non sono un sistemista) 😕
Mi piacerebbe proporre l’idea a qualcuno, ma non saprei a chi, pure perché non so che interesse ci possa poi essere.

@informapirata @fediverso @forum Non avevo fatto caso al fatto che il post iniziale costituisse proprio un thread di Lemmy. Magia!

@informapirata @fediverso @forum Momento, quindi è effettivamente possibile cominciare nuove conversazioni su un forum/comunità attraverso qualsiasi istanza Mastodon?

@ajsadauskas Take a look at this: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/first-release-of-lemmybb-a-federated-bulletin-board-written-in-rust/2629

@jackalope @pingveno I think that Friendica’s UI was literally inspired by early Facebook’s. It’s not slick, but it has its charm, it’s kind of nostalgic.

@SrEstegosaurio A bit OT, but what’s not to like about Matrix? I’m curious as I was seriously considering to try it out.

@nom_nom Btw, here’s a good article on the Fediverse https://axbom.com/fediverse/
It also explains that the Fediverse isn’t really made of just one protocol: ActivityPub is the most popular one by far (mainly thanks to Mastodon, which has been widely adopted), but there are also a few others (the most notable one is Matrix, which allows private and decentralized instant messaging).

@nom_nom That’s basically it. There are many kinds of AP servers floating around, and while most of them overlap quite a bit (what the Fediverse is mostly about is microblogging), there’s also stuff like ForgeFed, which is an extension to the protocol that will eventually allow Gitea (a Github alternative) instances and similiar Forge servers to federate with each other. Of course, you won’t be able to commit code through Mastodon, but you might be able to comment existing issues on a project.

@nom_nom Different servers realize different services, or at the very least they realize them in different ways. What’s new is that these services are at least somewhat interoperable with each other: I can comment on this Lemmy thread via Mastodon, altough I cannot start threads in a Lemmy community. Other AP servers work much better with Lemmy. For example, Friendica (a Facebook clone) allows for the publishing of posts in groups (which is what Lemmy communities basically are).

@nom_nom They both comply to the ActivityPub protocol, but they do very different things, as one is a microblogging platform while the other is basically an image board. You could say that what’s different about them is simply their front-ends, but that wouldn’t be correct, as each AP server allows their users to do different things. For example, you cannot publish standalone posts in communities (or groups) via Mastodon, while Lemmy doesn’t let you publish posts without specifying a community.

@Tiuku No, it’s not a “new HTTP”, it’s not a replacement for Mastodon, Lemmy and all of the others, it’s rather an alternative to those implementations, they all run on the same standard, speak the same language and work with each other.

@garret @Tiuku It’s what is hosting both of your profiles, and mine too. It’s a server which complies to the ActivityPub protocol https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
This is the standard that powers the Fediverse, allowing servers and their users to speak to each other. Mastodon, Lemmy and so on implement it so that they can easily interoperate. The SW that OP linked to is simply another implementation of this protocol

Siamo molto incanalati in quella direzione. Basti vedere anche come come la stampa dia attenzione solo a Mastodon, non al Fediverso. In generale, Mastodon tende anche a essere l’esempio seguito dalle altre implementazioni, tant’è che diventa sempre più difficile parlare di ActivityPub come protocollo centrale: il vero standard sul quale si basa il network è Mastodon, perché tutti vogliono essere pienamente compatibili con Mastodon. È una centralizzazione potenzialmente problematica.

@Sal @imgprojts I’ve been wondering the same thing for a while, as apparently that’s also the reason for Mastodon (and others too, I guess) not allowing users to search for posts if not by hashtag. I can’t really figure out what’s the problem that this decision aims to solve.

@jaskot @Ephera @DepressedDove That’s basically it. As I said before, there are alternatives to a Lemmy account. I use my Friendica (it’s more or less the Fediverse counterpart to Facebook, so it has “groups” and so it is able to fully interoperate with Lemmy’s “communities”) profile to post on Lemmy, and there are probably a few other alternatives which you could consider. But if you just want the Reddit experience but in the Fediverse, just become a Lemmy user.

@jaskot @Ephera @DepressedDove You literally just did. However, you should know that Mastodon is not really made for interacting with “groups” (or “communities”, as Lemmy calls them), they’re kind of an afterthought. You can just follow them and comment someone else’s posts (as you did and as I’m doing right now), but you can’t create them or even post in them. I’d advise you to register to a Lemmy or even a Friendica instance, if you want group functionalities.

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