Yes, there are men who don’t mind being approached.

There is no way to guarantee a woman won’t feel uncomfortable, when she is approached.

We had this convo before on reddit.

Oh, I remember now! LOL

But from a lot of the redpill material I’ve read it’s always some variation of “women don’t love you” “you need to keep the masculine frame at all times” “you need to let her know you have options, tell her about other girls coming onto you” “you need to make them scared of losing you”.

Yeah, that can make men anxious. It is toxic. Maintaining frame was something Mystery talked about too. That was before the redpill became popular online.

being a dominant could be a good thing

In my opinion, being dominant is about initiating conversations with women. I think a man can be good and be dominant too.

maintain frame and power and to manipulate a woman to get sex

It depends on who you follow within the redpill community. Some people are toxic. I follow a dating coach named Alan Roger Currie. His approach was about being straightforward and honest with women. He had he beef with Rollo Tomassi and didn’t think Rollo was truly “red-pilled.” He believed in the alpha/beta stuff, but otherwise his philosophy is pretty good.

fresh n fit or andrew tate

I don’t follow either of those.

Redpills also teach men that women love it when a man is dominant, that these are the lies they tell, these are the games she plays or if she chooses not to have sex with you, it means she sees you as beta or low value.

I think there’s a difference between being dominant and being an asshole. It’s possible to have an egalitarian relationship once the relationship is more established.

I agree.

What makes you say it’s not as toxic as people say?

I watch Rollo Tomassi’s videos. I haven’t read his books. He probably talks more about it in his books. Basically, red pill is about hypergamy. Hypergamy doesn’t mean all women have unrealistic standards. There are lots of average men in relationships too.

women’s safety when out on the streets

I never approach women on the streets. That’s weird!

How are we supposed to take the lead and approach while keeping women safe at the same time when approaching her could make her feel uncomfortable, even in safe environments such as social groups, bars & clubs, workplaces, etc?

It’s not hard to make women feel safe. It’s not rocket science.

main issues men have is a rise in male loneliness

I made a post at leftwingmaleadvocates about depression being the cause of male loneliness. Men’s mental health is ignored. It’s unpopular to say incels should take responsibility for their mental health and dating life.

The redpill/PUA.

I think most PUAs are actually “blue pilled”, not “red pilled.” I don’t think redpill is as toxic as people say. It is based on data and it hasn’t been debunked. Data is reality.

These are the communities that teach them the alpha-beta nonsense

I don’t label myself as an alpha or beta. I don’t label other men either. However, I think there is some truth to them. Alpha doesn’t mean superior and beta doesn’t mean inferior. People can choose how they feel about those words.

So the first step here is for society to stop expecting men to make the first move and not just that.

I’m a shy guy, and I prefer to approach women. I wouldn’t want women to approach me most of the time. I think it’s in men’s nature to be the pursuer.

I agree with you about toxic masculinity and patriarchy because those don’t exist. Feminism exists as an ideology. Many people identify as feminists so it’s okay to use feminism.

They probably have the toy in India nowadays.

I have no intention of watching this movie.

misogynists ideas presented here

LMAO

“Toxic masculinity” downplays men’s issues.

Men are stereotypically the primary household earner.

That’s because women like to marry up.

I’m sure we agree that the top 1% of men are more powerful than the top 1% of women, so it would follow that the average man would be more powerful than the average woman.

It is true that the richest people in the world, are men. Women have more social power than men. For example, people tend to believe women more when it comes to domestic abuse. Police are more likely to arrest the man.

Left wing feminists have the most abhorrent views of men. I’m a left winger, but I disagree with most left wingers and feminists about men’s issues.

The left has a good ideology of egalitarianism. In practice, the Left is bad. They have become gynocentric, which is not egalitarian.

Yes, I came here from Reddit.

I agree!

I agree that men get complimented less than women. However, that shouldn’t prevent them from feeling content with themselves. Some women are pretty straightforward with their compliments. I met some women who told me I’m hot. I wasn’t even dating them.

We’re taught that women send signals to show if she desires or wants someone or not, but many of these signals are very subtle

The only signal I consider to be valid is consent for sex. Some women give out numbers, but they have no intention of meeting up. Some women go on dates for free food. Subtle flirting signals don’t mean anything nowadays.

the original poster thinks that men get angry at women because they’re allowed to be sexy and feel desirable in ways that men aren’t.

That is nonsense.

I agree!