• Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    “Everyone to the south of a ML is a liberal”. Ironic.

    America has no choice, they don’t live in a democracy. They get to pick Trump or Biden, you can whinge that they should all grab their guns and revolt, but they can’t even get enough people together to peacefully change things so that isn’t happening any time soon.

    You can be an accelerationist and hope that Trump winning will create class consciousness, but you’re paying for that with the lives of christo-fash victims.

    What’s your solution mate?

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          9 months ago

          Stop supporting war hawks and capitalists. Do grass root activism, vote third party and do work to get the people around you to do the same. It’s not fucking rocket science.

          Guess what, one of the only politicians who could have beat Trump back in 2016 usually runs as an independent. He took a chance with Dems and look where that got us.

          You’re literally posting on an article about someone who does just that. Honoring someone who gave his life to do just that.

          Get lost with your our way or the high way bullshit. You’re disrespectful to the memory of Aaron Bushnell.

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            Right, but those are long term things.

            • What will not voting Biden in a few months time achieve?

            • Do you think the minority of leftists in America voting 3rd party will see the 3rd party option win?

            I’ve said no such thing about my way or the highway, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up.

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              What will not voting Biden in a few months time achieve?

              A) increase the amount of votes for third parties B) make my vote reflect my politics and discontent with the current regime?

              You’ve said no such thing, but you keep implying that you have an issue with it…

              Is the next election the one when it’s gonna be ok to vote third party? No? What about the next one? No not yet? What about the previous one? Neither? See how that works…

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                Okay so you get a negligible increase in 3rd party votes and a sense of pride and satisfaction in reflecting your political views.

                That’s got to feel great and all, but how does that solve any of the issues with the US governments actions?

                I get where you’re coming from, with the time to vote stuff, because there will always be another even worse option. But how does the worse option winning this election help you achieve your long term goal of systematic change?

                And what about the fact that the current bunch of worse option isn’t just some typical 80s neolib conservative keen on axing all social welfare and demonising the poor, but literal christo-fascists who would like to see the system overthrown for a regime that will offer even less chance for you ever achieving long term change.

                My issue is with the lack of any clear long term plan or goal here for a solution. The only way I can see change happening is through grassroots organisation, and if you haven’t managed to build that up by now, it’s certainly not going to be achieved within 8 months time.