Giving rights to people doesn’t take them away from others.
If Christians needed this according to their religion I have no doubt they’d get it.
In fact in my country (UK) many Christian events are already holidays (Easter, Christmas). Is this not the same in Canada?
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Canadians commonly refer to Easter as the period from Good Friday through Easter Monday. Good Friday (and /or Easter Monday) is a statutory holiday in Canada.
Christians already have this in Canada. So your point is totally incorrect. This in fact brings their religious rights in line with Christians.
I’m saying that people that aren’t Christians or first Nations are discriminated against because they don’t get guaranteed days off to celebrate their traditions. It’s 100% in the hands of their manager to accept it if asked.
My favorite solution is to treat everyone the same by making the holiday calendar secular (one long weekend a month or something of the sort) and giving everyone X personal days a year.
Giving rights to people doesn’t take them away from others.
This is a horrible take. Some people being more equal than others has the same effect as discriminating everyone else. Let’s give just white people some right and see how well that goes over (again).
Well exactly. Having privileged groups in obviously the wrong way to go about things. Even if it is looked as just “giving more rights” to a group instead of everyone else being deprived of that right.
Then you’re still treating people unequally based on however many holidays their religion has. Not to mention atheists. It shouldn’t go beyond “you get priority to get this specific day off over this other person for whom it’s not a special day”. And of course not allowing employers to deny vacation requests without a good reason, for some minimum number of days a year.
If not hiring people based on their religion is allowed, that’s in itself religious discrimination. By that same logic indigeneous people in canada should have worse chances of being hired right now because they get extra days off. (And let’s face it that might even be happening, even if not officially).
Effectively it’d just mean that companies would prefer hiring atheists that don’t get extra days off.
Oh, actually! Some companies do something kinda neat - everyone gets federal holidays as normal, and then in addition to normal PTO you get to choose one non-federal holiday that means a lot to you to take as your no questions asked personal holiday
This is what happens when people condense ideas into simple phrases. The quote works great when describing things like marriage equality, but something like extra days off work for some people is different. The obvious solution is flexible holidays for everyone.
Treating some better than others is just prone to issues since by treating a group better than others, the flipside is you’re treating others worse than them. Flexible holidays would be a fair solution.
Giving rights to people doesn’t take them away from others.
If Christians needed this according to their religion I have no doubt they’d get it.
In fact in my country (UK) many Christian events are already holidays (Easter, Christmas). Is this not the same in Canada?
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Christians already have this in Canada. So your point is totally incorrect. This in fact brings their religious rights in line with Christians.
I’m saying that people that aren’t Christians or first Nations are discriminated against because they don’t get guaranteed days off to celebrate their traditions. It’s 100% in the hands of their manager to accept it if asked.
Ah I see your point now.
So we should be trying to get this right for other religious groups and not complain that first nation people have it.
Giving more people rights is always better than taking them away.
My favorite solution is to treat everyone the same by making the holiday calendar secular (one long weekend a month or something of the sort) and giving everyone X personal days a year.
Yeah a certain amount of days a year regardless of religion seems the obvious thing.
This is a horrible take. Some people being more equal than others has the same effect as discriminating everyone else. Let’s give just white people some right and see how well that goes over (again).
We need to give these rights to other religious groups. Not take them away from others.
Well exactly. Having privileged groups in obviously the wrong way to go about things. Even if it is looked as just “giving more rights” to a group instead of everyone else being deprived of that right.
Then you’re still treating people unequally based on however many holidays their religion has. Not to mention atheists. It shouldn’t go beyond “you get priority to get this specific day off over this other person for whom it’s not a special day”. And of course not allowing employers to deny vacation requests without a good reason, for some minimum number of days a year.
Then choose your religion based on how many days off it gets you.
I can make a new one that has a holiday every day of the year at that point.
That aside, pretending to be part of a religion for personal gain feels rather disrespectful for something that for many people is deeply personal.
Sure. Then if nobody hires you, it’s not religious discrimination - they’re actually respecting your religion’s beliefs about never needing to work
If not hiring people based on their religion is allowed, that’s in itself religious discrimination. By that same logic indigeneous people in canada should have worse chances of being hired right now because they get extra days off. (And let’s face it that might even be happening, even if not officially).
Effectively it’d just mean that companies would prefer hiring atheists that don’t get extra days off.
Oh, actually! Some companies do something kinda neat - everyone gets federal holidays as normal, and then in addition to normal PTO you get to choose one non-federal holiday that means a lot to you to take as your no questions asked personal holiday
This is what happens when people condense ideas into simple phrases. The quote works great when describing things like marriage equality, but something like extra days off work for some people is different. The obvious solution is flexible holidays for everyone.
Treating some better than others is just prone to issues since by treating a group better than others, the flipside is you’re treating others worse than them. Flexible holidays would be a fair solution.
It’s literally discrimination yo. The should never be more/less rights for specific groups like race, gender, age, etc…
No it’s literally not and there absolutely should be when you take cultural biases into account.
If everyone was equal to begin with you’d be right but they aren’t.
Putting a female or foreign sounding name on a CV results in less responses. So those people should be given a boost because they’re already behind.
Disabled people are already at a disadvantage so giving them an advantage doesn’t make anyone else worse off.
It’s not a zero sum game.