Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.

Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”

Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)

Install guide: Trollstore

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      Because it’s familiar, easy, pretty and does a lot of thinking for you.

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        Familiar only if you worked with it before.

        Easy… fair enough.

        Pretty… debatable.

        Apple established itself as a luxury brand. So it gives customers this “prestige feeling”. That’s at least my take.

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          Yeah, I agree. I used it for 6 months for work and it’s not my thing, but plenty of people seem to love it. I guess the high price is actually a feature.

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          I have both an iPhone and a Samsung. Both work well but I still prefer the iPhone though it’s a 6 years old one. I’m not an expert but I feel like every app use more familiar choices for design.

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      Because it’s a brand and people are morons who need external validation. Same reason for most brands - you pay a lot more for the same thing so you can seem cool or like you have money.

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      Have you actually sat down and used iOS as your full time phone OS for a week? If you’re used to android then yes there’s quirks you have to learn. But after being a diehard android user for years I could never go back. And that’s that I still use both every day since my work phone is Android and my person phone is an iPhone.

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          What button? Haven’t used a button on android for years now. Except power+volume ofc

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            One of the 3 virtual buttons that always display (4 for me since I have the accessibility button displayed also). (Background, homepage, and back- reverse order for standard android. I have Samsung)

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                I hate gesture controls. Even more fiddly and imprecise than fake buttons. Pinch zoom, scroll, and change page are more than enough.

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                  How come it’s more fiddly? It works soooo smooth and reliable. And that coming from a dude who can’t type one error-free word on the phone.

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                    My general problem with touchscreen controls is chance of error and lack of feedback. I want buttons. I don’t want to accidentally do a thing because I idly swiped at the screen while looking away briefly.

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                  lol the gesture controls on modern smartphones are overwhelmingly less fiddly (read: not at all) than your horrible excuses for defending an outdated piece of technology like ‘buttons’ when much better options exist.

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          lol back button - how freaking 2000s. buddy we just move our finger left on the screen and we go back. like are you a caveman? this is Android fans these days, crowing about obsolete pieces of their technology like it was good. it wasn’t then it really isn’t now.

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          Swiping from the left is almost universally a go back in ios.

          With android’s gestures it simulates pressing the back button which is really awful. But iOS does swipes correctly.

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            Hahaha iOS swipe is awful.

            If you 4 finger swipe now it goes back to previous app. Do it again now it goes to the app you just left. Wait a few seconds and it’s anybodies guess where it goes.

            Even worse if you bring down the “notification” screen… Supposedly swiping up makes it go away, but it rarely works. Same with pulling up the app bar while in ful screen apps - that takes two swipes, and the second one has to be just so, not too fast, not too slow, and within some weird timing - try it too soon and it just doesn’t respond.

            Apple’s swiping system is just a fucked up mess. (I use iOS all day long).

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              Swiping to go back to a previous app isn’t the best, but Androids implementation is just as janky. Once you figure out what the delay is for the current app to be the “latest app” then it’s not awful.

              Maybe iPad OS is different, but I don’t ever have any issues with full screen apps on regular iOS.

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        iOS always felt slower tbh. Like it takes an extra step or two to do similar tasks. That and I love sideloading, rooting, and putting my homescreen apps towards the bottom too much to ever fully switch over.

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        I chose Apple for my work phone for only one reason: battery life. It is a wildly inferior experience for anyone who wants or needs more than just a phone. The way I have to send photos and documents through other services just to get them to my computer, the utter lack of control of the phone’s file system, no sideloading…

        If for any reason what you need can’t or won’t work through the Apple ecosystem, iPhones go from feeling pretty smooth to being an obstacle, and I’m not paying $1000+ for an obstacle.

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        I use iOS every day.

        It SUCKS.

        If all you want to do are the things Apple decides you can do, and want to do things only Apple’s way, it’s great.

        I choose Apple phones for my work phone, since it’s managed by the company anyway, so even an Android would be locked down. And it’s not like I would use a corp phone for the things I do with my personal phone - there’s too much risk in that.

        Apple won’t even allow apps to sync photos automatically. I don’t want to use their cloud, at all. I just want photos I take synced between my devices using a single tool. No reason for those photos to go anywhere else.

        Currently I sync files, automatically, between a dozen devices. All my photos from every laptop and Android phone go to the same folder on one machine. Anything I download with any device is available, almost immediately, for all other devices.

        Except for my iOS devices. They can’t play in this game, even though the same apps are available on iOS.

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          If all you want to do are the things Apple decides you can do, and want to do things only Apple’s way, it’s great.

          Which is what most people want to do, and that’s why so many people love the iPhone.

          Supposedly photo sync will back up all your photos to a local machine. iCloud does everything you’d want it to do minus the local server part. But once again that’s not what 99% of people want to do.

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        It’s cool because it is expensive so it is a status symbol. Just like wearing expensive jewelry is cool.

        I don’t need people to think I’m cook if that is their criteria.

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        Closed source software can’t be audited, so it can’t be secure. If software isn’t secure, the exploits rid it of any privacy.

        See: The bimonthly remote takeover bugs that keep getting found. Like this one: https://citizenlab.ca/2023/09/blastpass-nso-group-iphone-zero-click-zero-day-exploit-captured-in-the-wild/

        “Oh whoopsy doopsy, looks like your iPhone, camera, files, GPS and more were accessible to someone who sent you an iMessage… for the third time this year”

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          Closed source software can’t be audited, so it can’t be secure

          That’s the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard.

          Closed source software is audited all the time.

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            Ok let me rephrase - nobody without a conflict of interest can audit a closed source application. If Microsoft paid for an audit of Windows, that doesn’t tell you anything about whether or not Windows is backdoored.

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              The audit is not for you. Closed source software is audited all the time, but the results of those audits are generally confidential. This is about finding security bugs, not deliberate backdoors.

              The key with this is who do you trust. Sure, open source can be audited by everyone, but is it? You can’t audit all the code you use yourself, even if you have the skills, it’s simply too much. So you still need to trust another person or company, it really doesn’t change the equation that much.

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                In practice, most common open source software is used and contributed to by hundreds of people. So it naturally does get audited by that process. Closed source software can’t be confirmed to not be malicious, so it can’t be confirmed to be secure, so back to my original point, it can’t be private.

                I didn’t go into that much detail in my original comment, but it was what I meant when I first wrote it. As far as “does everyone audit the software they use”, the answer is obviously no. But, the software I use is mostly FOSS and contributed to by dozens of users, sometimes including myself. So when alarms are rung over the smallest things, you have a better idea of the attack vectors and privacy implications.

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                  In practice, most common open source software is used and contributed to by hundreds of people. So it naturally does get audited by that process.

                  Just working on software is not the same as actively looking for exploits. Software security auditing requires a specialised set of skills. Open source also makes it easier for black-hat hackers to find exploits.

                  Hundreds of people working on something is a double-edged sword. It also makes it easy for someone to sneak in an exploit. A single-character mistake in code could cause an exploitable bug, and if you are intent on deliberately introducing such an issue it can be very hard to spot and even if caught can be explained away as an honest to god mistake.

                  By contrast, lots of software companies screen their employees, especially if they are working on critical code.

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      I wanted a fast laptop without a fan and with a big haptic feedback touchpad. Happy to hear about non-Apple options for this.

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          MacOS is even worse than iOS. Have to use it for work. And while the hardware is the best I’ve ever used, the software is complete garbage.

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            Desktop OSes today range from acceptable to abysmal.

            • I put the user-focused Linux distributions at acceptable now that Flatpack is resolving a long-lasting issue with desktop Linux.
            • The built in advertising and privacy invasion makes Windows 11 abysmal, though it seems they’ve finally found their rhythm on the UI language front
            • macOS these days is firmly in mediocre territory. Window management hasn’t kept up with developments in other platforms and the OS feels dumb now. We had a very good OS in the Snow Leopard days, but that Apple doesn’t exist anymore.
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            Oh yeah, I completely concur. I don’t get the ux argument either, I always find it to be incredibly slow and frustrating to use whenever I have to

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          Fast, quiet, big touch pad. What’d fascinating or out of the world here? These are just kind of things most people want, not everyone wants to manually update their kernel or whatever.

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            I’ve got an Asus ZenBook (specifically this one that came out last year). It does have a fan, but it’s pretty quiet. I barely notice it most of the time. It’s pretty fast, too. Don’t know how large of a touchpad you want, though.

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              Doesn’t look bad, but I’m guessing it doesn’t have a haptic touchpad? (Clicking is equally easy anywhere on the touchpad, because there isn’t actually a click, the click is simulated by a vibrator.)

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                No, there’s no haptic touchpad. TBH, I didn’t even know that was a thing.