When sharing XMPP, what is the best landingpage to show people? I’d like to have something of similar function and quality as https://element.io/ and https://joinmastodon.org/
There is the https://joinjabber.org page. But it is a heavy work in progress that hasn’t made much progress in the last couple of weeks. If you want to contribute join us on our muc or via the experimental anonymous webchat.
That is cool. The problem with this is the communication/branding. It will scare away anyone who isn’t a enthusiast or olds-chool type person. Something like joinmastodon.org would be the perfect thing I believe, but it would require a loooot of work.
I kind of agree (and the joinmastodon or joinlemmy pages are actually open source and could be adapted), but there is a strong counter opinion by the ones running the joinjabber.org servers that it needs to be as simple (and Javascript less / ToR compatible etc.) as possible. Long discussions…
I think the joinjabber.org website is neat. It’s not overwhelming, clean, chooses what kind of account or server you need for you. I like it
Oh, I know this whole tirade from organizational work at freesoftware and free culture organizations in Norway. The surething way of a software dying is this way of thinking (I mean, not making any compromises and doing things idealisticly at the cost of reach to new usergroups).
I guess a compromise would be to have several versions of the website.
Ideally you send someone interested an invite link to your snikket server.
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I don’t think that would be enough. There needs to be a proper landingpage where people can gather information and join. Instanses/servers can help on top of that for recruiting people, but like mastodon wouldn’t be mastodon without joinmastodon.org. And right now, linking the snikket page doesn’t help anyone but people with the skills to run their own server, and we haven’t gotten any further because there is only so many who can do that, but even less who care to set up their own snikket server.
But I think snikket is a part of the path forward. In the XMPP community I think things should be done kind of like with the fediverse, and that there is platforms that are pushed and not the protocol itself. But den you need a landing page for for example snikket that let’s people get going with chatting right away.
I think that would be enough. Imagine how people joined whatsapp. They heard about it and then read maybe 5 sentences on the website/ app store before installing it.
A landing page for my server, that by default says: “fidibus would like you to join their xmpp server, here is the app, please choose a name” is perfect. Of course there should be a link to a more thorough explanation of what snikket is and xmpp, but let’s be real it’s going to be 1 in a hundred people that is interested in that. Most people know me, know that I use this selfhosted chat and that’s enough for them to try it, or not.
Snikket (and Prosody) has a special invite system that shows a webpage different from the Snikket page for easy onboarding. A bit similar to this separate project: https://github.com/ge0rg/easy-xmpp-invitation
Yeah, it doesn’t work. I couldn’t try having a snikket account if I wanted to right now.
TBH, I just kind of changed my mind when thinking about this when thinking about snikket. I’m not certain there is a way to make XMPP work as a proper alternative. I should just invest my time into matrix.
I have so many conflicted feelings. But like, does XMPP have a future? I feel like the whole community is suffering from the same issue as IRC. It’s just gonna be for enthusiasts and slowly fizzle away. And then I don’t have to be both on XMPP and matrix.
Right now I just feel conflicted about if it’s worth it to invest my enthusiasm into XMPP.
I’m not certain there is a way to make XMPP work as a proper alternative
Can you expand on what makes you think this?
Ah, I’m so conflicted about it though. I like XMPP more, but I’m not a programmer og a data dude. But I’m also not the average joe when it comes to tech and will use things that most people wouldn’t even bother to use because it’s too much hassle or whatever.
But by proper alternative, I mean that it can be used for a wider target group than just enthusiasts and old school people. There needs to be good clients, there needs to be design, branding and communcation work that works for people and can compete with whatsapp and telegram.
But with XMPP I kind of feel that it might be a too big of a stone to roll right. because there are a lot of old school people and there also is a lot of enthusiast level people who are kind of happy with how things are in a way, but there isn’t the momentum needed to achieve what element/matrix has done.
Matrix/element is done so that normal everyday people actually don’t mind trying it and using it.
I understand what you mean. I think that the future is uncertain. Maybe matrix will flourish and xmpp will go under or the other way around. Maybe a third option will develop. For example if suddenly 1bn people join the fediverse and mastodon implements the signal encryption protocol for pm’s it could become the new xmpp/matrix.
I believe that both matrix and xmpp have their strength, but what I personally like about xmpp is that it is very lightweight to host.
I hope xmpp will be modernized, aka have encryption by default, have proper metadata encryption, maybe snikket can send traffic through tor by default or something like that or have their own onion-routing. I think that it is a mistake to implement video calls before having very reliable clients with the features mentioned above. Also mastodon could just ship with a xmpp server, i’d like that. So pm’s are through xmpp by default.
Look into Movim. It is XMPP based and I think once it implements OMEMO e2ee (coming very soon) it will be a real alternative to Matrix/Discord etc.
I keep getting unsubscribed from all the different communities i follow in movim for no obvious reason. I wanna love it, but it is just way to annoying to have to resub every couple of days.
Apparently it might have to do with the kind of server my jabber/xmpp account is on, which is just … great for ease of use for people.
That is likely a problem with different bookmark standards used by different clients. I guess you are using some client other than Movim as well?
I seem to have had the problem without any other clients.
But that problem in itself is fairly annoying as the movim mobile app isnt exactly great imo.
I often suggest blabber.I’m/en it’s a fork of conversations with sign up to a free account built in, good enough for most people that are used to mainstream apps…nice UI changes as well. No technical expertise required:)
