For this I actually like real crowdsourcing rather than just wikipedia.
https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/ was a subreddit I really appreciate as they do global tracking and covered more than just fatalities. It proves that the behavior is way more than just “Bad american’s with shitty training”. It’s everywhere… globally. This specific breed is a problem.
Here’s December’s (yes this month…) list for instance.
I won’t disagree that bad people make bad dogs… My cousin just lost a sheep and a bunch of chickens last night to what looks like (it was caught on property cameras) husky/shepard mix. The sheriff went over this morning and found all sorts of problems that they’ve cited them for now. But pit bulls in general have a universal problem and it’s clear when we aggregate the data and even normalize per capita. While the amount of deaths per year from dogs are low, pit bulls are statistically significantly higher(usual cited number is 6x) than any other breed.
Quoted text from my cousin this morning:
The sheriff came out and charged them with 4 misdemeanors and in the process found other issues and is investigating for animal cruelty.
You don’t really understand how statistics work do you? Per capita can still get artificially skewed in favor of one breed or another. For an example, let’s say we have red Legos and blue Legos and statistics say that murderers are more likely to pick red Legos. As a result, more people pick blue Legos because they don’t want to be perceived as murderers, leaving the red Legos for murderers and people who are skeptical or ignorant of the statistics. The result will be that there’s a much higher number of murderers per-captia with red Legos than with blue Legos.
The same can be applied to pitbulls. Create the story that pitbulls are man-killers, and the stats will get skewed as people looking for man-killers buy more pitbulls and people looking for companions intentionally avoid them. The result will be that there are more man-killer pitbulls per capita because that’s what they’re being trained for. It’s called a self-fullfilling prophecy. Maybe pitbulls truly do have a disposition for being man-killers, however their reputation means that the stats will be skewed in favor of the man-killers trait, as more people will buy them to make them man-killers.
Maybe pitbulls truly do have a disposition for being man-killers
Loved your comment, just wanted to chime in that what you’re referring to in the quoted portion above is commonly called gameness. Generally speaking it’s not that pit bulls are more prone to attack by default but their attacks are more unrelenting.
Rottweilers ALSO have this “man killer” representation… yet doesn’t have this same problem per capita. As a matter of fact, many other dog breeds have equal or WORSE reputations DO NOT have this problem.
So you can about some statistical story of legos… but that isn’t the reality we’re living in here. If anything you’ve provided more evidence that they should be destroyed (and I’m not in favor of actual destruction, but mandatory spay/nueter and make it illegal to breed them is more in line with my idea of an answer).
You’re missing the fact that I’m specifically addressing your decision to present “per captia” as being definitive proof of pitbulls being man-killers. I even stated that it’s entirely possible that they could, in fact, truly be man-killers, however the stats could be skewed so “per captia” can’t be the definitive proof.
If you want a real-world example of “per captia” being falsely skewed, look up stats on crime or IQ per race. You’ll find they’re heavily skewed against black people. However, if you continue to dig, you’ll find there are plenty of reasons to question the validity of those stats.
If you want a real-world example of “per captia” being falsely skewed, look up stats on crime or IQ per race. You’ll find they’re heavily skewed against black people. However, if you continue to dig, you’ll find there are plenty of reasons to question the validity of those stats.
Yes this would imply that there’s only one body conducting these sorts of stats under just one metric. Except this is universal. Which is why I, in other comments, have pointed out crowdsourced lists as well… Showing that it’s not just the stats from the USA coming to this conclusion.
The reason measuring IQ by race is an issue is because IQ isn’t even a good metric to measure intelligence anyway. Thus people who say that black people are less intelligent by measurement of IQ are morons from the get-go. And I never made “per capita” as my only proof. You’re just focused on that and have read other threads.
Crowdsourcing info from people that aren’t experts and can’t tell the difference between a Pitbull and an American bulldog or a boxer, truly we’ve reached the peak of the scientific method!
Do you really think these people go for Pomeranians instead? Not an American bulldog or a rottweiler or a doberman… No… They can’t buy a Pitbull so they get a Chihuahua instead!
If a higher percentage of pitbull owners are morons then no shit there will be more attacks per capita, it doesn’t mean that the breed is the issue!
Also the problem with these stats is that they’re based on victim reports, victims that very often don’t know dogs and will call any big dog with short hair a Pitbull. The stats are extremely unreliable and in most places there’s just no actual tracking of the breeds that committed the attack. In places where there is, as I previously mentioned, attacks don’t go down it’s just other breeds that are reported and the attacks cause just as much damage because the dogs aren’t any smaller.
It’s more represented because morons buy that breed more than others. When they get banned it’s other breeds that start attacking people.
You don’t understand what “per capita” means do you?
Cool… I’ll take being attacked by a pomeranian any day. I can at least punt those little fuckers over a fence.
Yeah the statistics on this are incredibly clear.
For the US this year it’s overwhelming staffy / Pitbulls causing human deaths.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
For this I actually like real crowdsourcing rather than just wikipedia.
https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/ was a subreddit I really appreciate as they do global tracking and covered more than just fatalities. It proves that the behavior is way more than just “Bad american’s with shitty training”. It’s everywhere… globally. This specific breed is a problem.
https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/18p94bq/december_2023_list_of_pit_bull_attacksfatalities/
Here’s December’s (yes this month…) list for instance.
I won’t disagree that bad people make bad dogs… My cousin just lost a sheep and a bunch of chickens last night to what looks like (it was caught on property cameras) husky/shepard mix. The sheriff went over this morning and found all sorts of problems that they’ve cited them for now. But pit bulls in general have a universal problem and it’s clear when we aggregate the data and even normalize per capita. While the amount of deaths per year from dogs are low, pit bulls are statistically significantly higher(usual cited number is 6x) than any other breed.
Quoted text from my cousin this morning:
You don’t really understand how statistics work do you? Per capita can still get artificially skewed in favor of one breed or another. For an example, let’s say we have red Legos and blue Legos and statistics say that murderers are more likely to pick red Legos. As a result, more people pick blue Legos because they don’t want to be perceived as murderers, leaving the red Legos for murderers and people who are skeptical or ignorant of the statistics. The result will be that there’s a much higher number of murderers per-captia with red Legos than with blue Legos.
The same can be applied to pitbulls. Create the story that pitbulls are man-killers, and the stats will get skewed as people looking for man-killers buy more pitbulls and people looking for companions intentionally avoid them. The result will be that there are more man-killer pitbulls per capita because that’s what they’re being trained for. It’s called a self-fullfilling prophecy. Maybe pitbulls truly do have a disposition for being man-killers, however their reputation means that the stats will be skewed in favor of the man-killers trait, as more people will buy them to make them man-killers.
Loved your comment, just wanted to chime in that what you’re referring to in the quoted portion above is commonly called gameness. Generally speaking it’s not that pit bulls are more prone to attack by default but their attacks are more unrelenting.
Nice story… except is misses a bunch of things…
So you can about some statistical story of legos… but that isn’t the reality we’re living in here. If anything you’ve provided more evidence that they should be destroyed (and I’m not in favor of actual destruction, but mandatory spay/nueter and make it illegal to breed them is more in line with my idea of an answer).
You’re missing the fact that I’m specifically addressing your decision to present “per captia” as being definitive proof of pitbulls being man-killers. I even stated that it’s entirely possible that they could, in fact, truly be man-killers, however the stats could be skewed so “per captia” can’t be the definitive proof.
If you want a real-world example of “per captia” being falsely skewed, look up stats on crime or IQ per race. You’ll find they’re heavily skewed against black people. However, if you continue to dig, you’ll find there are plenty of reasons to question the validity of those stats.
Yes this would imply that there’s only one body conducting these sorts of stats under just one metric. Except this is universal. Which is why I, in other comments, have pointed out crowdsourced lists as well… Showing that it’s not just the stats from the USA coming to this conclusion.
The reason measuring IQ by race is an issue is because IQ isn’t even a good metric to measure intelligence anyway. Thus people who say that black people are less intelligent by measurement of IQ are morons from the get-go. And I never made “per capita” as my only proof. You’re just focused on that and have read other threads.
Crowdsourcing info from people that aren’t experts and can’t tell the difference between a Pitbull and an American bulldog or a boxer, truly we’ve reached the peak of the scientific method!
Do you really think these people go for Pomeranians instead? Not an American bulldog or a rottweiler or a doberman… No… They can’t buy a Pitbull so they get a Chihuahua instead!
If a higher percentage of pitbull owners are morons then no shit there will be more attacks per capita, it doesn’t mean that the breed is the issue!
Also the problem with these stats is that they’re based on victim reports, victims that very often don’t know dogs and will call any big dog with short hair a Pitbull. The stats are extremely unreliable and in most places there’s just no actual tracking of the breeds that committed the attack. In places where there is, as I previously mentioned, attacks don’t go down it’s just other breeds that are reported and the attacks cause just as much damage because the dogs aren’t any smaller.