Inverse's Raymond Wong today published an in-depth overview of Apple's increasing push towards high-end gaming on the Mac. The story includes...

Apple Discusses Push Towards High-End Mac Gaming in New Interview::Inverse’s Raymond Wong today published an in-depth overview of Apple’s increasing push towards high-end gaming on the Mac. The story includes…

  • VerseAndVermin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    421·
    11 个月前

    For anyone new to this, Mac regularly talks about their efforts in gaming and then regularly does little for it. What’s the alternative, say aloud that gaming isn’t anywhere near a priority for you?

    • garretble@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      11 个月前

      We’ve been right on the edge of “Mac Gaming” since 2006 when they switched to Intel. Almost twenty years later and every year it’s brought up as something “right around the corner,” but during the Intel years they always had garbage GPUs.

      I guess we’ll see if/when games will be a thing on Arm.

    • GamingChairModel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      11 个月前

      From the interview, the push is pretty clearly at encouraging developers to build games for iPhone, iPad, and Mac through one workflow, and a unified API that targets all 3 types of devices (potentially throwing in an Apple TV as well).

      Self identified gamers are pretty dismissive towards non-AAA gaming on mobile devices, but those types of games do make a lot of money.

    • JakenVeina@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      11 个月前

      I mean, yeah, they could do exactly that. “We cater to the needs of creative professionals and personal users that need a streamlined user experience” or some other execu-speak. Who are they gonna alienate, all those gamers that are already not buying macs for gaming?

      • VerseAndVermin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 个月前

        People who dont know better. People still buy Macs with the intention of also playing some games. People also buy familiarity. It serves them in no way to say anything like that. Especially when they got all those sweet sweet mobile games coming there way. Lol

  • Sprucie@feddit.ukEnglish
    4310·
    11 个月前

    I’m curious who the target market for this is. When buying your own system you typically want to get the best performance for your money, and with the Apple tax included you’re always going to be paying a lot more for similar specs to something you can build yourself.

  • JungleJim@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    222·
    11 个月前

    I know Valve and others have done a lot of the legwork already, so maybe it won’t be so difficult for Apple to catch up, but it feels a little bit like Microsoft’s last attempt at making phones. It’s been a minute since the starting bell, the competition has the software catalog already, and it’ll cost the consumer more.

  • Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
    193·
    11 个月前

    According to a quick google search the PC gaming share of Mac users is something like 1-2% and the compatible games list is mainly indies, but barely any AA or AAA titles.

    If it’s true then imagine the price tags they will put on these machines to make profit.

    • SinningStromgald@lemmy.worldEnglish
      63·
      11 个月前

      If it’s true then imagine the price tags they will put on these machines to make profit.

      Any chance to senselessly gouge their consumers is a good one for Apple.

  • Skunk@jlai.luEnglish
    14·
    11 个月前

    I’m not the audience for Mac gaming but I discovered that my “work dedicated” Mac mini M2 pro is an amazing machine for afk flying 14h flights on Xplane12. Specially during summer heat waves where the windows gaming rig is just a huge space heater.

    So yeah I believe the target is people wanting only one rig to do everything but still use MacOS as a daily. Probably those with a MacBookPro M3-something. You could already do it with streaming, now with the M chips you can play AAA locally as well.

  • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lolEnglish
    143·
    11 个月前

    Isn’t the problem that they are using ARM hardware. Like sure your x86 emulator can be good, but if you look at something like proton it’s taken years for it to get good. And that’s not even a different CPU architecture. So apple would have to make a wine equivalent, a DKVK, equivalent, and a really great X86 emulator if that’s even possible on current gen hardware.

    Somehow I don’t see them catching up with Linux gaming.

    • ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      11 个月前

      The already have the best x86 emulator. They also have a lot of leverage over big game manufacturers. Especially ones that have iPhone apps. They are able to use carrot and stick to get Devs to develop for MacOs. I don’t think they will, they just don’t want to say they don’t care about gaming.

  • dukatos@lemm.eeEnglish
    61·
    11 个月前

    A new technology built into the M3 family of chips is Dynamic Caching, which allows the GPU to allocate memory usage in real time.

    Sells it with 8GB of RAM…

  • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
    63·
    11 个月前

    If Apple ever actually entered the gaming market, (and I probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than them joining the gaming market)… I would fully expect that specific parts namely the GPU will have to be Apple approved. Probably nothing more than a small chip that authenticates it as Apple approved, much like they do with their laptops and cell phones currently. So if you think GPU price is are high the exact same GPU but Apple approved will have even higher cost. Because Apple is just a fashion brand really you’re going to pay the fashion tax.

    I honestly can’t see that big of a market for this. A 4090 is supposed to be $1,600 MSRP. I would fully expect the Apple version of that to be $2,000 MSRP at minimum for the same product just with the Apple approved stamp.

    • bamboo@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      11 个月前

      Apple doesn’t support add-in GPUs anymore since switching to Apple silicon. Their iGPUs though are better than other iGPUs, performing in line with mid range discrete GPUs. They want the experience to be more console-like than PC-like though, you buy a standardized set of hardware and that’s that.

    • fosforusEnglish
      30·
      11 个月前

      No, Steam works sort of fine on Macs. It’s just that there’s not many new games on Apple these days. I think even native Linux might have more games these days.

      • M500@lemmy.mlEnglish
        113·
        11 个月前

        I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s true. But in my mind, Linux gaming is basically perfect.

        Luckily, I’m not into the kind of games that don’t work on Linux.

        • fosforusEnglish
          11·
          11 个月前

          Yeah, with Proton enabled, Linux has 99% of all games in Steam these days.

          • Skunk@jlai.luEnglish
            51·
            11 个月前

            Now I want to see proton on Asahi Linux on a native apple silicon chip.

            I know it’s useless, I still want to try it for my nerd spirit.

            • cevn@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              11 个月前

              I tried it. Nothing works because of ARM sadly. I think it is coming close with Box86 but couldn’t get my games to run.

      • bjorney@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        11 个月前

        Sort of fine is even an exaggeration. I gifted my GF don’t starve together the other week and steam froze and crashed 3 times just trying to log in. After an hour of trying and failing to get to the library page we just gave up. This is on the current model MBP

      • Merlin404@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 个月前

        I gotcha! Guess i remembered wrong about Macs! I think Linux have a lot of games now with the proton i read around 2900 games that work.

        • fosforusEnglish
          7·
          11 个月前

          My own experience with Linux and Steam currently (and since roughly beginning of 2023 at least) is that 99% of all games work on Linux/Proton if you enable Proton for everything.

          But it’s probably somewhat dependent on your distro and hardware. I have all AMD and Nobara, and with this combo I haven’t met a game that doesn’t work, at least in a year.

          • KISSmyOS@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            11 个月前

            In my experience, distro and hardware hardly matters at all.
            The 99% figure seems to be about right (I have 2 games out of 240 I can’t get to work).
            I have an nvidia card and recently tried out Debian, Opensuse, Slackware and Arch, with equal results.

    • M500@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      11 个月前

      I think Apple dropped some stuff that would make it so 32 but apps wouldn’t work and a ton of games are 32 bit apps. But I’m not sure if they actually did that or just talked about it.

      • Skunk@jlai.luEnglish
        7·
        11 个月前

        They did it since at least 2 OS version. It is impossible to run a 32 bit software on latest MacOS unless you keep an older version on dual boot. Or Linux but it is still a dual boot.

        From memory it did not had a huge impact, most 32 bit software or games are old enough that you slowly start to forget about it and just use something else.

        • DJDarren@thelemmy.clubEnglish
          1·
          11 个月前

          Using Whisky it’s possible to install the Windows version of Steam, after which even 32bit games will run perfectly. I had Portal running on my M2 Air.

          It’s just so clunky to have to jump through those hoops.