When I visit kbin.social, I see new posts regularly. On other servers posts stay on the frontpage for multiple days. This is also true if I switch their sorting to “hot”. So that is probably not the difference.
What is kbin.social doing differently?
Different sorting algorithm? But yeah I agree, the hot feed on kbin feels more active with posts as new as 30 mins.
I presume you’re talking about Lemmy from any of the different instances. If you’re looking at local it’s only going to show local posts and not “everywhere”. Be warned though, currently there’s a bug where when you do select “All” it updates with a pull from outside the instance very often, so much so that it can make reading and browsing difficult. That should be updated soon.
I mainly tried lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and a few others. I did try them with and without “all” and it was cumbersome regardless. Either I was served posts with zero or negative upvotes that to me do not classify as “hot” or my feed did not update at all.
What’s weird to me is that kbin.social was the only one I tried that was not affect by any of this strangeness.
Kbin and Lemmy are different frameworks and have been written using different languages. After some hiccups initially, kbin seem to be more stable than Lemmy right now, including when it comes to frontpage sorting. But both are pretty new and are actively being developed. You can expect these issues to be fixed soon as the devs push new updates.
I’ve seen like 5 different posts about this already, I guess I’ll reply to this one too xD
Lemmy “Hot” ranking is currently kinda broken. There’s an edge case that stops the hot_rank column from decreasing, meaning the post never goes off the front page. Will be fixed in 0.18.
Do you know when 0.18 will be out?
Trite answer: When it’s done
More in-depth answer: Currently there’s no set date. It depends on how quickly they can tear out all the WebSockets code and replace it with simple HTTP (that’s the BIG change, will fix a lot of different things), and then test those changes. The hot_rank fix has already been merged, that’s done, but they want a stable, cohesive release with all the good stuff.
Current estimations I’ve seen range from 1-2 weeks, but it all depends on how fast they can get it coded and tested.
The websockets work has been merged. I’m using it on my instance now, but there’s no release yet. It’s been really stable for me so far, so I’m hoping there aren’t major issues and they can push it out soon.
2 weeks is juuuust in time for the 3rd party apps cancellation
Why are they getting rid of WebSockets? It’s really useful for instant data and is often faster than simple HTTP requests.
You can see the discussion about this here, but the short version is that it’s not scalable, hits apps & browsers like a truck, memory leaks, and live updates cause feed reshuffling which is really annoying
Kbin uses a completely different backend and is nicely optimised. The owner (Ernest) is also investing in server space to accommodate the higher user activity.
They might answer you themselves, I’m sure they’re lurking here somewhere. 🙃
What is kbin.social doing differently?
Unknown about kbin, but I’ve heard that Hot is currently broken for (most?) instances across the lemmyverse. (This might be related to the size of the instance - apparently for small (single-to-double-digit users) instances Hot works fine?)
Edit: and this is supposed to be fixed in the next release, 0.18
I think default and timeline algorithm on kbin is better than on lemmy, but with little tweak and changing several settings, I can see more posts dinamically on my homepage.
Any tips on what settings to change?
I set my home to only show for subscribed community and sort it by new comment. Then I aggressively follow any comm/magazine than seems interesting. It make my feed comprised with both new and old-but-active posts/threads. Half of my first page feeds are constant, but there are new posts here and there. Enough for me not to get bored.
I have an issue on Lemmy.world when I sort by Top-> day the top posts will be bumped down by brand new posts with 1 upvote, I assume people are instantly upvoting themselves and that’s messing with something in the code
are instantly upvoting themselves
Much like reddit I believe that happens on lemmy automatically. Unlike kbin.
Yep, I posted a link on Lemmy earlier today and it started at 1 with an upvote from myself immediately after submitting.
I think Kbin should auto-upvote too (as did almost everyone in the poll last I saw it), if not else then for feature parity.
It depends on what you mean by other servers…Lemmy instances? I haven’t seen any differences between kbin instances.
Kbin is entirely different software from Lemmy; it’s a completely different backend.
So that would be why it’s “better” in that regard than Lemmy instances. My understanding is that it’s a bug in Lemmy that will be fixed soon.
The “popping” of the feed in Lemmy is tied to their use of websockets instead of http. I believe the devs stated they’ll be moving off of websockets in the future.
Kbin is entirely different software from Lemmy; it’s a completely different backend.
Wow did not know that. So how can it interact with the lemmy instances if it’s not running lemmy software?
Via the ActivityPub protocol that fediverse software uses :)
Pretty cool stuff!
Kbin can also directly interact with Mastodon users and toots because of this. Kbin magazines can natively contain both “threads” from Kbin and Lemmy, and microblog “posts” from Kbin and Mastodon. (And other software depending how they map these features.)
The ActivityPub protocol! It’s how all these platforms talk to each other.
That’s the magic of ActivityPub! It’s the protocol that most of the fediverse is built on, and it lets users from completely different fediverse platforms share posts with each other. It’s the special sauce that lets Mastodon, Lemmy, and kbin (and more!) work together
Because they use the same protocol: ActivityPub
For example, E-Mail gets send over the protocols pop3, smtp, imap. It doesn’t matter if you use Outlook or Gmail for Android or whatever email program. They still send data to each other using these protocols. Therefor both know what to do with the information exchanged.There is software that is completely different from Lemmy and Kbin which can still interact via the ActiviyPub protocol. For example Mastodon for Twitter-like mini blogs. Or PeerTube which is a video platform. Pixelfeed is an image sharing platform similar to Instagram and the like. But since they all use AcitvityPub you can interact, comment, vote etc. on these images and videos or mastodon posts here on Kbin or on Lemmy.
In theory this sounds great. But obviously the different software needs to have the backend and the UI to support these features.
To make it even more difficult to implement, all these different installations are spread over many different servers (= federation). Which all can have differences in their software again and different speed and rules about how often they synchronize their data, etc.
It’s part of the fediverse, things like mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, and kbin can communicate with each other because they all use activitypub. It’s a fun rabbit hole to explore if you have time
