• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    11 months ago

    What? No it isn’t.

    No part of the article discusses replacing the logistics function of cargo vehicles, but it does propose ripping out the road infrastructure they run on.

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      11 months ago

      Apparently, you are unaware that cargo bikes are a thing.

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        11 months ago

        Right… and how many such bikes would you need to replace the carrying capacity of a single 18-wheeler?

        This is not a practical solution.

        Also, not discussed in the article and not relevant to my previous comment.

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          18 wheelers are not last mile delivery vehicles and have no business being in cities to begin with.

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            11 months ago

            Um, yes they are? 18 wheelers deliver goods to stores all the time. How are you even trying to make this argument? What kind of vehicle do you think usually pulls up to a loading dock?

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              What kind of vehicle do you think usually pulls up to a loading dock?

              Grocery stores inside cities do not have loading docks. Their goods are typically delivered by this type of vehicle to curb-side offloading sites during off-peak hours.

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                148 E 17th St https://maps.app.goo.gl/a3wp7u1spEN4Vtjm7

                Here’s a grocery store. It’s in downtown Little Rock (pop 204k).

                Bet you anything you like all that cardboard got hauled away in an 18 wheeler (or a recycling truck).

                To be clear (and reitierate) I’m not talking about heavily urbanized places, I’m talking about moderately urbanized places (which there are a lot more of). Converting a few inner city blocks in super dense cities is entirely meaningless in terms of helping the environment. For a solution/change to be useful, it will need to have wider applicability (to the majority of cities, which have <1m pop).

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                  I’m talking about moderately urbanized places (which there are a lot more of).

                  Such places exist as a direct consequence of car culture. Their existence is not a universal constant; they can and must be turned into heavily urbanized areas.

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                    Their existence is not a universal constant

                    Their existence is far more constant than heavily urbanized areas.

                    they can and must be turned into heaviliy urbanized areas

                    This is highly unrealistic. Most people do not want to be packed in tighter with other people, they want more space not less.

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              Most urbanists also despise mega-mart style stores as well, and would rather have smaller stores littered throughout neighborhoods

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                Reduces the dependence on cars as the stores nearby have what you need without having to drive super far and to buy so much because its so far.

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              They deliver goods to big box stores, not to the kinds of stores one finds in a dense, walkable downtown core area. I have worked in the delivery industry, and we served the downtown core entirely with 5-ton and 3-ton trucks and cargo vans. It’s simply not practical to get a full-sized trailer in there.