The enforcement of copyright law is really simple.
If you were a kid who used Napster in the early 2000s to download the latest album by The Offspring or Destiny’s Child, because you couldn’t afford the CD, then you need to go to court! And potentially face criminal sanctions or punitive damages to the RIAA for each song you download, because you’re an evil pirate! You wouldn’t steal a car! Creators must be paid!
If you created educational videos on YouTube in the 2010s, and featured a video or audio clip, then even if it’s fair use, and even if it’s used to make a legitimate point, you’re getting demonetised. That’s assuming your videos don’t disappear or get shadow banned or your account isn’t shut entirely. Oh, and good luck finding your way through YouTube’s convoluted DMCA process! All creators are equal in deserving pay, but some are more equal than others!
And if you’re a corporation with a market capitalisation of US$1.5 trillion (Google/Alphabet) or US$2.3 billion (Microsoft), then you can freely use everyone’s intellectual property to train your generative AI bots. Suddenly creators don’t deserve to be paid a cent.
Apparently, an individual downloading a single file is like stealing a car. But a trillion-dollar corporation stealing every car is just good business.
@music@fedibb.ml @technology #technology #tech #economics #copyright #ArtificialIntelligence #capitalism #IntellectualProperty @music@lemmy.ml #law #legal #economics
@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml Actually, @senficon did debunk the latter one.
https://felixreda.eu/2021/07/github-copilot-is-not-infringing-your-copyright/
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon Felix’s analogy is flawed.
> If I go to a bookshop, take a book off the shelf and start reading it, I am not infringing any copyright.
An LLM is not a person, and gobbling up the entire shop is not the same as reading a few pages from a single book. If you start reading more than half the books in the shop without ever paying, you bet the owner will ask you to buy something or kick you out.
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon The word you’re looking for is “dispute”. To say it “debunks” stretches the truth beyond its breaking point.
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon I still have a hard time seeing my own Stack overflow answers literally regurgitated by GPT when we prompt it some questions relating to aforementioned SO answers.
I don’t mind, cause everybody can get access to them.
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon But when the bot is just spitting out huge chunks of your intellectual work (or whatever you might want to call answering questions on SO), I dunno it doesn’t feel like there is much of “derivative work or even machine generated stuff”, it just feels like copied and pasted code from stackoverflow, cause, well, it is.
@ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon
Still your core argument is valid: The #Copyrightmafia is the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk862BbjWx4
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon My late congresscritter, Howard Coble, was responsible for that. A product of north-central North Carolina, he was nicknamed “The Congressman from Disney” in the district (and in Washington) because of all the water he carried for that corporation on IP matters.
@panamared27401 @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon Funfact: With very few exceptions like #StarWars, most of the big #Disney #IP is based off #PublicDomain content…
Which makes it even worse as they basically now squat that and prevent everyone from making good new works unless the few cases were their IP has also lapsed…
Which is hillarously good when it happens and someone times their release just right…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3E74j_xFtg
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon Oh, I know. I did some reading on Coble and Disney in the late 1990s, and I was stunned to learn about how much stuff they were squatting on. But money talks loudly enough to drown out all other voices.
@panamared27401 @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon which is why I want #IP like #Copyright to be limited just like #Patents are:
A fixed period of 10-25 years and that’s it!
Anything else is a gross violation of social contract given the fact that noone can make content past their death, so 70 years postmortal IP protection can only serve corporations and license administrations and noone else.
i would add two additional stipulations to that: copyright restriction should not be automatic, and should be renewed every year. one would have to pay a fee for copyright restriction (without the fee, restrictions would default to a much more permissive CC BY-SA–like system) and the fee must be paid every year the restrictions are renewed
that way, eventually the cost of keeping the material restricted will outweigh the profits, and the license holders will stop paying. it automatically enters the more permissive set of restrictions, and it gains a new life among sharers and remixers
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon Oh, I quite agree. Coble’s hometown paper editorialized against the copyright changes Disney bought through him at the time, but nobody else listened. Coble certainly didn’t.
@kkarhan @panamared27401 @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon 25 years is a long ass time to turn ideas into cognitohazards you can’t watch nor use in culture.
Any time at all is quite long for deciding you can choose what others may think and say.
#AbolishCopyright
@lispi314 @kkarhan @panamared27401 @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon i think it depends on type of content. Song, book, film? Whatever.
Software, though? IT moves so fast, and copyright can cripple interoperability so much, that perhaps for software, it should be much shorter.
@chucker @lispi314 @kkarhan @panamared27401 @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon The other factor with software copyrights is the issue of legacy software.
There’s a lot of software out there in the world that’s still in use, still under copyright, but no longer sold or supported by a vendor. In some cases, it might not even be clear who actually owns the copyright.
Sometimes it’s for specialist equipment that’s built using obsolete software. (Hello, OS/2 ATM machines.)
Sometimes it’s for large enterprises that still use legacy VAX machines, token ring ethernet equipment, CP/M applications and Windows XP desktops.
Sometimes it’s run by retro computing hobbyists who really loved the Atari ST or Speccy.
There’s a good argument to be made that all abandonware should be released to the public domain. It would certainly make life a lot easier for many people.
@chucker @kkarhan @panamared27401 @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon I think that being unable to use nor remix music for years is far too long.
It doesn’t remain broadly relevant for all that long in popular culture anyway. Before the internet that cycle was at the very most decade-long, now it has shrunk dramatically as information travels faster and more broadly.
Copyright also inherently assumes you have a right to control the minds of others, which I deem unconscionable.
@lispi314 @kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon Agreed. My 2 cents is that it’s a reasonable compromise, but I get that people may disagree.
@panamared27401 @lispi314 @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon Personally, I think that any number lower than lifetime + 70 years is an improvement.
Either way the system is just absurd.
@kkarhan @ajsadauskas @technology @music@fedibb.ml @music@lemmy.ml @senficon yeah please STFU, bootlicker
You don‘t have to insult people just because they point out legal facts that don‘t fit your worldview. Don‘t shoot the messenger. You don‘t have to like the facts but that doesn‘t change them.
@foonex yeah, STFU too, bootlicker. You have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re clearly an ignorant little fascist, and you should follow your leader. Cry harder, you fucking bellend.
You are an asshole of unmitigated proportions.
@atomicfurball you can choke on me, you stupid piece of shit. You are utterly insignificant. Kill yourself.
@atomicfurball@lemmy.ml pretty pathetic that Karhan make 2 sock accounts to call me an asshole because his pedophile brony ass couldn’t handle being told to shut up