• ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    It’s like you just described why every war is bad.

    There is not a single war in the entire history of humankind were exclusively “the bad people” died.

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      1 year ago

      Great, lets let the people who dont want to fight in this war leave… ohh, that’s right, they are all in prison and can’t leave the “combat zone” which is… literally their prison.

      The reason this conflict is very polarizing, is you have 1 million children/adolescents, 500k women, and 500k adult men locked in a box, no way out… They can’t leave this conflict… they are trapped. If you were trapped in a room that was on fire, you would want to be let out…

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        1 year ago

        In this case though, the analogy is only correct if I was also repeatedly setting my own rooms and the rooms beside me on fire. On purpose.

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          1 year ago

          Civilians are innocent. Can the actions of a few condemn the whole group?

          If your in a house, that is on fire, would you want to be rescued even if there was a arsonist with you?

          Collective punishment is nasty unjust business. Where do you draw the line on the group your punishing? And if the innocents harmed in the collective punishment decide to collectively punish you right back… that is just fair - right?

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            1 year ago

            Is a war always collective punishment in your opinion, or just in this case? How is Palestine not also committing collective punishment?

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              1 year ago

              Your constant calling of what about isn’t serving you well.

              If Hamas was engaged in a similar long term action against a large civilian population, there would be protests against them too.

              For the last 21 days the majority of civilians suffering are in Gaza, so Gaza gets the protestors today.

              Squeaky wheel gets the oil.

              Saying the people of Gaza need to die to satisfy your thirst for revenge just means the cycle of killing wont end with you

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                1 year ago

                Don’t put words in my mouth, please. I don’t have a “thirst for revenge” or am saying people in Gaza “need to die”!

                It’s you who wants Jewish civilians to just be murdered and kidnapped and Hamas get applauded for it. (Feels bad, right?)

                In their enthusiastic zeal to defend Palestine people are incredibly apologetic towards Hamas and similar groups. And seem all to happy to forget the kind of politics Palestine puts on display. And that for several decades now.

                I wish people would think more long-term and realistic instead of screaming at each other who is the bigger protector of the oppressed. It seems shallow to be honest, and not really in favour of a better situation.

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                  1 year ago

                  Why is it so hard to agree that killing civilizations is bad and nobody should do it. Why does pointing out the Gazan civilians are dying have to be conditioned on anything else?