• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    24
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    Israel has been treating Palestinians like shit for decades. Surprise surprise that resulted in extremist groups forming.

    Both Hamas and Israel are shit, but the important thing to remember is PALESTINIANS ARE NOT HAMAS. Commiting war crimes on Palestinians is unrelated to stopping Hamas.
    You can’t put political pressure on a terrorist group to stop killing civilians, you can put political pressure on your government to stop supporting a government killing civilians.

    Israel needs to stop doing war crimes *and" Hamas needs to be dealt with as a terrorist group.

    • lloram239@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      15
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      you can put political pressure on your government to stop supporting a government killing civilians.

      What do you think Hamas is? They aren’t some random small terror organisation. They are the government of Gaza. So what’s stopping Palestinians from putting pressure on them?

      Hamas needs to be dealt with as a terrorist group.

      And how exactly do you think that’s supposed to work? You don’t like what Israel is doing, fine, what’s your alternative?

      • homura1650@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        The UK is not supporting Hamas, so their is no point in protesting their support for Hamas. If you want to fly to Iran and protest their support of Hamas, that would make sense.

      • thenightisdark@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        “So what’s stopping Palestinians from putting pressure on them?”

        What would you do if you were the Palestinian in this question. seriously. Hamas is not held an election since 2006 what would you do to put pressure on Hamas while you lived in the Gaza strip?

        The answer to your question is lots of stuff is stopping the Palestinians from putting pressure on Hamas.

        • lloram239@feddit.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          1 year ago

          What would you do if you were the Palestinian in this question.

          We are talking about a rally in London. All I expect is to see a few signs calling for the end of Hamas, an end to violence or something along the lines. All I see is “Free Palestine” signs, which is nothing more than an antisemitic dog whistle.

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            All I see is “Free Palestine” signs, which is nothing more than an antisemitic dog whistle.

            How is that a dog whistle? Is Palestine not in need of being freed? Israel has been holding people in Gaza down for decades and treating them like they are sub-human. Calling out that behaviour as monstrous is not a “dog whistle”, it’s directly saying out loud what the problem is.

      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        You don’t like what Israel is doing, fine, what’s your alternative?

        To start with: not threatening to carpet bomb civilians just because they might get some members of Hamas as well. This one should be obvious.

        • Shadywack@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          1 year ago

          K, you pointed out a not, how about what you would do? Go and shake Hamas’ hand and thank the for all the children they’ve butchered? Hamas needs exterminated, and I don’t see a way to deal with them when they hide behind human shields like the shitstained cowards they are.

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            Okay, so they bombed gaza. Is Hamas gone now? Problem solved? No? Just dead civilians and further recruitment for Hamas? Damn, if only that was in any way predictable…