Israel is vowing to wipe out Hamas in a relentless onslaught on the Gaza Strip but has no obvious endgame in sight, with no clear plan for how to govern the ravaged Palestinian enclave even if it triumphs on the battlefield.
The Gaza strip ceases to exist when it’s taken by force and “settlers” move in so it becomes part of Israel. Millions of Palestinians die in refugee camps.
Are we talking about the same Sharon that Palestinians hold responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre? And the same Sharon whose visit to Al-Aqsa was rightly or wrongly said to be the proximate cause of the Second Intifada (and which ultimately allowed him to come to power)? The same Sharon who built the wall between the West Bank beyond the Green Line effectively annexing large chunks of land in all but name? That Sharon? Just want to make sure that we’re talking about the same guy
Bibi is almost certainly gone the moment the military operations are over. Something like 90% of Israelis hold him responsible for the attacks and want him out.
He’ll be around through the unity government while military operations are conducted, but there’s essentially no chance he has any part of what comes after.
If it depends on him resigning it won’t happen. He is in a survivalist state. He doesn’t care about the outcome of the war as long as he remains in power. He doesn’t care what happens. The only thing he is working on in a time of war is his image and blaming figures from decades ago for this situation.
It was under Israeli occupation following the Six-Day War until the PNA was given a kind of on-paper authority over it according to the Oslo Accords (which, along with the EUBAM agreements and such, basically gave Israel full siege power over Gaza on all sides). It’s a whopping 141 square miles, I don’t know what pointing to a population increase is supposed to demonstrate.
The situation before October 7th was that of a clear division between Palestinian population inside the Gaza strip and Israeli population to the north and east. Now:
Israeli minister without portfolio Gideon Sa’ar told Channel 12 News that Gaza “must be smaller at the end of the war” and that “there should be an area that is classified as a security zone where whoever enters is intercepted.” He added: “We must make the end of our campaign clear to everyone around us. Whoever starts a war against Israel must lose territory.”[260][261]
She noted that Israeli public officials have openly advocated for another Nakba, the term for the events of 1947-1949 when over 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes and lands during the hostilities that led to the establishment of the State of Israel. The Naksa, which led to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1967, displaced 350,000 Palestinians.
Israeli member of Knesset Ariel Kallner on Sunday called for a second ‘Nakba’ to take place in Gaza amid ongoing armed conflict between Hamas and the Israeli army.
“Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join! their Nakba, because like then in 1948, the alternative is clear,” Kallner wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Other commenters have added good answers, basically the strong feeling everywhere is this won’t stop until Hamas is utterly wiped out, and by that time Gaza will be too and it’s inhabitants either destroyed or refugeed out.
We all know what the endgame is.
Please…enlighten us
The Gaza strip ceases to exist when it’s taken by force and “settlers” move in so it becomes part of Israel. Millions of Palestinians die in refugee camps.
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Taken by force? It was taken by force 56 years ago. Since then the Palestinian population in Gaza has increased about 7-fold.
And there were already Israeli settlements there. They were dismantled in 2005 and the settlers forcibly removed by Sharon’s government.
Yea, but Sharon was a lot more sane than bibi… it seems like that asshole has done everything in their power to roll those changes back.
Are we talking about the same Sharon that Palestinians hold responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre? And the same Sharon whose visit to Al-Aqsa was rightly or wrongly said to be the proximate cause of the Second Intifada (and which ultimately allowed him to come to power)? The same Sharon who built the wall between the West Bank beyond the Green Line effectively annexing large chunks of land in all but name? That Sharon? Just want to make sure that we’re talking about the same guy
Yup, much more sane than Netanyahu.
Bibi is almost certainly gone the moment the military operations are over. Something like 90% of Israelis hold him responsible for the attacks and want him out.
He’ll be around through the unity government while military operations are conducted, but there’s essentially no chance he has any part of what comes after.
If it depends on him resigning it won’t happen. He is in a survivalist state. He doesn’t care about the outcome of the war as long as he remains in power. He doesn’t care what happens. The only thing he is working on in a time of war is his image and blaming figures from decades ago for this situation.
It was under Israeli occupation following the Six-Day War until the PNA was given a kind of on-paper authority over it according to the Oslo Accords (which, along with the EUBAM agreements and such, basically gave Israel full siege power over Gaza on all sides). It’s a whopping 141 square miles, I don’t know what pointing to a population increase is supposed to demonstrate.
The situation before October 7th was that of a clear division between Palestinian population inside the Gaza strip and Israeli population to the north and east. Now:
In the context of several past instances where Israel has, in order: (a) claimed a territory citing military purposes (b) settlements were built on the military area © claimed the area as its own land because it has Israeli settlements on it - we have absolutely no reason to expect otherwise, particularly given that figures in the Israeli government and media *have been explicitly calling for this:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/un-expert-warns-new-instance-mass-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-calls
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/08/Israeli-Knesset-member-calls-for-second-Nakba-amid-ongoing-conflict-with-Hamas
So skeptical. And then a few hours later the US gives its blessing for exactly that: https://lemmy.ml/post/6687184 .
And the Israeli defense chief says “troops will soon see Gaza ‘from inside’”
So, for execution of this plan they gave to sector Gaza autonomy and removed (forcefully) Jewish settlements from there. Yeah. Totally makes sense.
Other commenters have added good answers, basically the strong feeling everywhere is this won’t stop until Hamas is utterly wiped out, and by that time Gaza will be too and it’s inhabitants either destroyed or refugeed out.
Annihilation.