Like I like the design but it just doesent look like a Ferrari or even Ferrari inspired. Its as if Fiat/FCA designed a neat car but then stuck a Ferrari badge on it
Yes. Ferrari already has the puresangria (I know that’s not the name) but crossovers? Really? And this one looks so horrifically ugly. The only good thing about it is that it’s expensive and not many will be sold…
I feel like for this to be successful Ferrari would have to do something that showcases craftsmanship and uniqueness in the motors. The engines were a setpiece in many of their cars and that was a big reason you bought one. I cant help but feel EV cars just have motors with different sizes and specs but they are all just some variant of a Samsung/Panasonic/Toshiba design or something thats been scaled up from the motor thats in my washer.
I forgot Ferrari does that. That would be hilarious. Eventually Ferrari is going to make you buy a $200,000 matchbox car before you can purchase a normal Ferrari.
I assume that me saying this also bars me from buying a Ferrari (not that I ever could)
The way things are going, that sounds likely. I don’t understand the customers’ mindset when it comes to Ferrari. Even if I had the money the sheer douchebaggery of Ferrari is so repulsive that I’d probably spend it elsewhere.
Especially that other than a 550 maranello there are no Ferraries in my top 100. So many cool and interesting cars are out there…
For their normal models: I think it’s the fact that they’re pretty much the only supercar manufacturer left that still has SOME emotion put into their cars and that you don’t see on every corner.
Lamborghinis are incredibly common among supercars lately (every other generic automotive YouTuber has owned a Gallardo at some point in the last 10 years), Aston Martin just uses Mercedes engines for nearly everything and… I’m sorry, but I still can’t stop seeing a Ford Mondeo when I look at one ever since Ford unified their brands’ design language when they owned AM. McLaren still makes fun cars, but the 750S is just a facelift of the 2017 720S. I’m a huge fan of Koenigsegg, but they’re a purely hypercar manufacturer, they make Ferraris look AFFORDABLE in comparison. Over 30 years since the original prototype, nearly 25 since their first production model, and… They’ve made under 1000 cars in total. Their 4 seater grand tourer costs 1.9 million dollars, the Jesko starts at 3 before options.
For their high-end models: I think the douchebaggery is probably a plus for some of the buyers. You see an F80 somewhere, you KNOW that person has bought at least 10 other Ferraris since you can’t walk into the dealer to buy one, you have to be invited to buy these cars. And it’s not like the competition is any different. Go try to buy a Lamborghini Fenomeno or a Bugatti Tourbillon. You need to be approved first to get your allocation.
The ones they make you jump through hoops for don’t devalue. Enzos start at 6 mill now and one went on auction for 17. They just keep going up. They started under a million new.
Of course a 250 GTO has appreciated even more, but there’s no getting into it on the ground floor anymore sadly.
That said, if I could have any Ferrari without worrying about the costs but also couldn’t resell it for a profit, mine would probably be an F40 or F50. Love the F40 design, but it has four cylinders too few and two turbos too many for my ears.
When Enzo Ferrari was alive, he was such an asshole to customers he fed Maserati for two decades. Now the corporate assholes since his death are propping up Lamborghini, who will sell you any car you want in any color.
Well, they surely didn’t stop making ICE engines. I encourage you to look more into the motor tech, to see how varied it is and what the potential of different approaches is. It has nothing to do with how the e-bike industry works.
The point of a Ferrari is to go fast and electric vehicles will at some point be much faster than piston engines (they are already, but thermal management, weight and sheer range are holding EVs back.
I know this of course but Is Ferrari doing anything different to their Electric motors that the other manufacturers dont already do? If not then this may as well be a generic chassis with luxury accoutrements. If I cared more about cars in general Id love to know what actually makes it different, something that Ferrari is not really making an effort to do afaik
I agree that EVs tend to be much simpler than combustion engine cars and thus the differentiation potential is more limited or better said technically involved: you cannot just dumbly count the cylinders and get a feeling of a cars “status” (this stopped to be true decades ago, but car enthusiasts are very nostalgic and - at times - irrationally skeptical towards technical progress).
Plus, EVs mostly cancel out the need for pure performance oriented cars vs practical cars: even SUVs have a low center of gravity, high power with torque for days, efficient packaging ensuring large interior volume and weight distribution.
Battery density and extreme weather performance are not yet where they would need to be for a no compromise sports car that screams Ferrari, so they went with something more disruptive - although GT cruisers are as much a Ferrari DNA as any other sports car type.
Like I like the design but it just doesent look like a Ferrari or even Ferrari inspired. Its as if Fiat/FCA designed a neat car but then stuck a Ferrari badge on it
Bruh. Ferrari is making (electric) crossovers now? We’re living in the worst timeline…
Everyone makes SUVs at this point. Porsche, BMW, even Lambo.
Yes. Ferrari already has the puresangria (I know that’s not the name) but crossovers? Really? And this one looks so horrifically ugly. The only good thing about it is that it’s expensive and not many will be sold…
I feel like for this to be successful Ferrari would have to do something that showcases craftsmanship and uniqueness in the motors. The engines were a setpiece in many of their cars and that was a big reason you bought one. I cant help but feel EV cars just have motors with different sizes and specs but they are all just some variant of a Samsung/Panasonic/Toshiba design or something thats been scaled up from the motor thats in my washer.
Or they will just not let you buy any other Ferrari until you buy one of these.
I forgot Ferrari does that. That would be hilarious. Eventually Ferrari is going to make you buy a $200,000 matchbox car before you can purchase a normal Ferrari.
I assume that me saying this also bars me from buying a Ferrari (not that I ever could)
The way things are going, that sounds likely. I don’t understand the customers’ mindset when it comes to Ferrari. Even if I had the money the sheer douchebaggery of Ferrari is so repulsive that I’d probably spend it elsewhere.
Especially that other than a 550 maranello there are no Ferraries in my top 100. So many cool and interesting cars are out there…
For their normal models: I think it’s the fact that they’re pretty much the only supercar manufacturer left that still has SOME emotion put into their cars and that you don’t see on every corner.
Lamborghinis are incredibly common among supercars lately (every other generic automotive YouTuber has owned a Gallardo at some point in the last 10 years), Aston Martin just uses Mercedes engines for nearly everything and… I’m sorry, but I still can’t stop seeing a Ford Mondeo when I look at one ever since Ford unified their brands’ design language when they owned AM. McLaren still makes fun cars, but the 750S is just a facelift of the 2017 720S. I’m a huge fan of Koenigsegg, but they’re a purely hypercar manufacturer, they make Ferraris look AFFORDABLE in comparison. Over 30 years since the original prototype, nearly 25 since their first production model, and… They’ve made under 1000 cars in total. Their 4 seater grand tourer costs 1.9 million dollars, the Jesko starts at 3 before options.
For their high-end models: I think the douchebaggery is probably a plus for some of the buyers. You see an F80 somewhere, you KNOW that person has bought at least 10 other Ferraris since you can’t walk into the dealer to buy one, you have to be invited to buy these cars. And it’s not like the competition is any different. Go try to buy a Lamborghini Fenomeno or a Bugatti Tourbillon. You need to be approved first to get your allocation.
They are all poorly made shit that devalue like rocks.
I would much rather versions from the 70s.
The ones they make you jump through hoops for don’t devalue. Enzos start at 6 mill now and one went on auction for 17. They just keep going up. They started under a million new.
Of course a 250 GTO has appreciated even more, but there’s no getting into it on the ground floor anymore sadly.
That said, if I could have any Ferrari without worrying about the costs but also couldn’t resell it for a profit, mine would probably be an F40 or F50. Love the F40 design, but it has four cylinders too few and two turbos too many for my ears.
When Enzo Ferrari was alive, he was such an asshole to customers he fed Maserati for two decades. Now the corporate assholes since his death are propping up Lamborghini, who will sell you any car you want in any color.
The 250 GTO is a beauty. It’s not that recent though.
It’s the car you buy your wife before the divorce.
Well, they surely didn’t stop making ICE engines. I encourage you to look more into the motor tech, to see how varied it is and what the potential of different approaches is. It has nothing to do with how the e-bike industry works.
The point of a Ferrari is to go fast and electric vehicles will at some point be much faster than piston engines (they are already, but thermal management, weight and sheer range are holding EVs back.
I know this of course but Is Ferrari doing anything different to their Electric motors that the other manufacturers dont already do? If not then this may as well be a generic chassis with luxury accoutrements. If I cared more about cars in general Id love to know what actually makes it different, something that Ferrari is not really making an effort to do afaik
I agree that EVs tend to be much simpler than combustion engine cars and thus the differentiation potential is more limited or better said technically involved: you cannot just dumbly count the cylinders and get a feeling of a cars “status” (this stopped to be true decades ago, but car enthusiasts are very nostalgic and - at times - irrationally skeptical towards technical progress).
Plus, EVs mostly cancel out the need for pure performance oriented cars vs practical cars: even SUVs have a low center of gravity, high power with torque for days, efficient packaging ensuring large interior volume and weight distribution.
Battery density and extreme weather performance are not yet where they would need to be for a no compromise sports car that screams Ferrari, so they went with something more disruptive - although GT cruisers are as much a Ferrari DNA as any other sports car type.
“hust doesent”
Did you have a mini stroke while typing that?
No, I’m just on mobile and exhausted. Fixed it.