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stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net to solarpunk memes@slrpnk.net · 2 years ago

high speed rail go brrr

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high speed rail go brrr

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stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net to solarpunk memes@slrpnk.net · 2 years ago
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    Its a lot easier when you have slave labor and don’t care about the enviroment or human lives

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      It unquestionably is but it sounds like you’re implying that high speed rail is some sort of utopian megaproject and not a solved problem of basic, reliable and effective infrastructure that is a great bang for your buck in every country that builds it.

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        I mean we actually own land in the US where it’s not owned by a person in the same sense in China. So it’s easier for the government to cease it and do whatever it wants with it

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      I understand what this comment is trying to say, but I doubt US is very big on caring about environment. Remind me, how many fracking projects?

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        Remind me of land owner rights in China

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          Private ownership of land shouldn’t exist at the first place

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            Who should it belong to?

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              Zemes māte, goddess of the earth

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              Hatsune Miku

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              land shouldn’t belong to anybody

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          Thank you! Exactly the point I’m making

          E: Replied to the wrong comment but mobile won’t let me delete

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      Spain has the lowest cost per kilometer in the world when it comes to building High Speed train (14.5 million €/km) and they care for the environment and don’t have slave labour. Rather, they have very strong unions.

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      Like in Spain with much smaller economy and almost 4 thousand km - admittedly they started back in the 1990s I think.

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      It’s also a lot easier when you cut costs and all the rails will be unused in a few years due to poor construction materials.

      Tofu Dreg construction and corruption is very real in China.

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      So… like the Musk-man does anyway?

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      If that’s all it takes why doesn’t California have it?

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        Because they don’t have slave labor and they care about the enviroment and human lives. Were you paying attention at all?

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          Because they don’t have slave labor

          …they don’t?

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          There’s literally a bill on the floor called the “End Slavery in California Act” a bill that failed last year.

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            They can name a bill whatever the fuck they want. They usually get authoritarian bullshit passed by calling it something like the PATRIOT Act. Who wouldn’t vote for something so patriotic. If you don’t vote for it you’re anti-american!

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              Here’s the full text of the bill.

              Literally all it does is replace the line in the California State Constitution that says “Involuntary servitude is prohibited except to punish crime” with a line that says “Slavery of any form is prohibited” and then defines slavery as “forced labor compelled by the use or threat of physical or legal coercion”

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                Nobody needed it. They don’t force people to work in prison, but if you do it shows your willingness to go with the program and better yourself instead of joining gangs. There’s a good reason for people getting reductions in sentences or good boy points for working and it’s not slavery.

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                  The original proposal was written by a former inmate who was forced to sanatize cells during the height of the pandemic.

                  https://www.abc10.com/article/entertainment/television/programs/to-the-point/involuntary-servitude-california-constitution/103-a116da15-b252-42cc-8f55-37d980d83e3f

                  California law requires all able bodied prisoners to work:

                  https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=2700&lawCode=PEN

                  If everyone is required to work, it’s not really a “work and you leave sooner” situation it’s a “don’t work and you stay longer” situation. Besides if the work is already not cohersed, why would there be any opposition to banning cohersed labor?

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