Fun fact: like most people, I’m pretty damn ridiculous at times. This means that I sometimes am the object of criticism and/or ridicule. You and I have that in common.
Here’s the difference, though: I don’t go out of my way to play the persecuted martyr.
Not eating meat is a perfectly reasonable personal decision. Not using any animal products of any kind sounds difficult to the point of constant exhaustion to me personally, but if that’s what makes you happy, then that’s good.
Just like the bad kind of religious person though, you’re preaching that everyone who doesn’t make the same choice is wrong and should be ashamed of themselves. While simultaneously acting like everyone’s out to get you no matter what you say and do. That’s not not reasonable.
I am not “going out of my way to play the persecuted martyr”, I opened the Lemmy home page and “post trashing vegans” was post #3. I thought I left this shit behind when I left reddit, but now it’s here too.
Not using animal products is not exhausting. I’ve done it for a decade and it’s a remarkably easy change where 99% of the difficulty comes from the wider society being hostile to it.
It is an ethical position based on an actual reality of animal agriculture causing vast suffering that we have chosen to opt out of supporting. It is absolutely reasonable and selfless to advocate for the rights of others at a minor, negligible personal sacrifice. It is not a sign of a need to shame others, a need to be a martyr, or any other personality defect that you’re going to project on vegans based on a stereotype despite knowing NOTHING about any of us as individuals. Nobody is trying to make you “feel ashamed”, we are pointing out objective facts about how the animal ag industry causes harm to animals, and then people like you, like you’re doing in this comment, right here, launch into this whole frigging diatribe about how vegans are shaming you and judging you and have a god complex and should just shut up and go back into their corners, because god forbid anyone should ever suggest that anything you’re doing is less than perfectly ethical.
It’s bullshit. I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been living with this for years and it’s absolute bullshit. Your position is wrong, it’s not a statement about you as a person, it’s a statement you should change your behavior. We are NOT at fault for showing the truth of the matter, that’s just a reactionary and ignorant position that people use to try to rationalize what’s convenient for them.
There’s absolutely no way, based on everything you’ve already said, that reading that novel will be worth the time and effort. Go take a nap or something.
I for one much prefer it that way. People abused it too much to “win” arguments like the dude up there did. Also to spread misinformation unchallenged.
It’s pointless anyway as creating an Alt account is easy
the act of locking people out of a conversation is something we should never have tolerated on reddit. i railed against it from the moment they made the change.
Fun fact: like most people, I’m pretty damn ridiculous at times. This means that I sometimes am the object of criticism and/or ridicule. You and I have that in common.
Here’s the difference, though: I don’t go out of my way to play the persecuted martyr.
Not eating meat is a perfectly reasonable personal decision. Not using any animal products of any kind sounds difficult to the point of constant exhaustion to me personally, but if that’s what makes you happy, then that’s good.
Just like the bad kind of religious person though, you’re preaching that everyone who doesn’t make the same choice is wrong and should be ashamed of themselves. While simultaneously acting like everyone’s out to get you no matter what you say and do. That’s not not reasonable.
I am not “going out of my way to play the persecuted martyr”, I opened the Lemmy home page and “post trashing vegans” was post #3. I thought I left this shit behind when I left reddit, but now it’s here too.
Not using animal products is not exhausting. I’ve done it for a decade and it’s a remarkably easy change where 99% of the difficulty comes from the wider society being hostile to it.
It is an ethical position based on an actual reality of animal agriculture causing vast suffering that we have chosen to opt out of supporting. It is absolutely reasonable and selfless to advocate for the rights of others at a minor, negligible personal sacrifice. It is not a sign of a need to shame others, a need to be a martyr, or any other personality defect that you’re going to project on vegans based on a stereotype despite knowing NOTHING about any of us as individuals. Nobody is trying to make you “feel ashamed”, we are pointing out objective facts about how the animal ag industry causes harm to animals, and then people like you, like you’re doing in this comment, right here, launch into this whole frigging diatribe about how vegans are shaming you and judging you and have a god complex and should just shut up and go back into their corners, because god forbid anyone should ever suggest that anything you’re doing is less than perfectly ethical.
It’s bullshit. I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been living with this for years and it’s absolute bullshit. Your position is wrong, it’s not a statement about you as a person, it’s a statement you should change your behavior. We are NOT at fault for showing the truth of the matter, that’s just a reactionary and ignorant position that people use to try to rationalize what’s convenient for them.
There’s absolutely no way, based on everything you’ve already said, that reading that novel will be worth the time and effort. Go take a nap or something.
Not impressed.
True, I’m not.
Removed by mod
By the way you posted 61 messages jusr today, a lot of which are multi paragraph. Do you have something called a “life”?
Edit: lmfao the loser blocked me
that is the right way. if you don’t like how lemmy works, you can submit a patch or find another platform.
I for one much prefer it that way. People abused it too much to “win” arguments like the dude up there did. Also to spread misinformation unchallenged.
It’s pointless anyway as creating an Alt account is easy
the act of locking people out of a conversation is something we should never have tolerated on reddit. i railed against it from the moment they made the change.