• JoBo@feddit.uk
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        Just a coincidence that every single religion came up with it, and China retains it despite having got rid of religion.

        Yeah, that makes loads of sense. Sure you’re right. Carry on, nothing to see here.

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            Religion is a tool that comes in very handy for patriarchy. And all major religions are patriarchal because patriarchy came first. But religion is not a necessary nor sufficient condition for patriarchy to flourish. Patriarchy twists everything to its own purpose. That’s the whole suffocating thing about power. It can protect itself like nothing else can.

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              I agree that it went like this:

              Patriarchy -> Religion -> Patriarchy

              I’ll never understand why women nowadays are still servant of religion. “Yes, ill serve my man. I’m nothing but a baby carrier”. It’s crazy.

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                People make decisions with constrained choices. If you’re a woman livng in a patriarchal society which limits your ability to earn an income, and will demonise you for not staying home with your children, then you need to reliably attach yourself to a man who can earn the income you can’t. That’s how the marriage bar was justified. (Middle-class) married women were denied (white collar) employment to make more room for men to advance their careers. And why there are mixed feelings about divorce. Being trapped in marriage is no fun but neither is being abandoned with limited ability to earn a living alone.

                Hostile sexism tends to co-exist with benevolent sexism. In places where there is a lot of anti-woman sexism, the women tend to hold more hostile and more benevolent views of men (eg men are violent therefore I need a big strong man to protect me).

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        Patriarchy predates monotheistic religions by quite some time, and was not (is not) religiously codified into all polytheistic religions. Hinduism for example is not explicitly patriarchal. Patriarchy in ancient Greece was similarly not explicitly religiously-motivated - rather, Ancient Greeks imposed their (at the time, current) cultural norms upon their religion, which was significantly more malleable than modern monotheistic (e.g. Abrahamic) religions.

        In fact, very strong arguments can be made that patriarchy shaped religion, as opposed to the other way around.

        See Romans in the Bible, for an easily-googleable example of one man imposing his personal ideas onto a nascent church.