People only upvote it because admin posted it, that is all.
Web is not controlled by larger companies only, they might be the ones with most impact, true but they do no dictate what you should do. Face it, most people believe everything Microsoft, Google telling them no matter if it is right or wrong because they think big Corps have more credibility.
We have dozens of articles like this already, why write another one … What have you done to make things better… Why not list organizations like EFF who fight for us or help them to get more attention.
Saying things like - we cannot do much about it - without even trying to provide some solution is seriously the wrong way to motivate readers.
Even domain name is based and redpilled.
Echo chambering the same over and over again helps how … People will give up an feel helpless.
Here is what people could do
Support small platforms like Lemmy, Fediverse in general.
Support actual organization that fight for you, such as EFF.
Instead of whining that web is miserable, I read this nonsense since 20+ years now, each year new clickbait … oh adblock destroys the web, oh Microsoft destroys the web, web is broken … Blah blah blah. Provide some serious solutions, because this is what will consume Brain power here. Some people actually did, created crypto and other systems that are not controlled by the big Corpos or the government.
good points. only one think is bothering me and that is EFF, by my opinion they are like a wolf in the sheep skin. Yes they acting in the favor of more private, secure and “better” web, but if you just look who is backing up the organization, who are the board members, then its clear that its a shady band (good example with fb and analytica scandal). im sorry but im applying zero trust policy even for them, even if i like the work what the whole EFF doing. this is just my personal view on the matter.
edit: they suggesting Signal to use, so fck eff particularry
Yeah, you always find something to criticize if you want to. However, they also often update statements and criticism. I am not going to defend them on Signal because I also dislike it, but sure as hell it is better than what most people use WhatsApp, Facebook etc.
Still upvote you because it is your opinion, which seems legitimate and has some points that I also think could be improved from EFFs end.
yes, correct. you can be like that, it was not an intention now, eff is big platform with huge impact. there is no point to criticize some/something if it is meaningless. respect for your efforts with badger. i hope it will not turn dark and evil on the end all with eff.
This is what the user can do, use software and services that do not use these spying techniques, but this is efficient in the first line when a large part of the users is aware of this problem, this should be the main task.
We all here use Lemmy, Raddle, Diaspora, Mastodon, Friendica, and others to communicate, using decentralized networks, all kinds of extensions, front ends, and VPNs to avoid this surveillance.
All of this would not be necessary, if this surveillance and censorship did not exist on the Internet.
But as I said before, this, apart from initiatives by consumer associations and legislators, requires the activity of the user himself who boycotts companies that use these criminal techniques, which has even expanded into the OpenSource field, since Big Tech has gotten involved. also there widely.
With the use of the Smartphone things have even worsened, to which almost all OS are directly controlled by Google, MS and Apple, if you cannot root and install a distro, such as LineageOS or similar. There is also no use in using decentralized networks, since the same OS is controlling us.
Among the users here all this is mainly well known, but this should also be spread among those who use shit like Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram and the like massively, unaware of having become simple raw material to enrich the oligopolies.
The initiatives are underway with increasing force, but there is still a long way to go and a lot of common sense among users, this must be transmitted by all of us who can, starting with our children, family and friends.
I do at least.
Yeah I see, the thing is that the average user cannot see any difference between spying techniques, legitimate telemetry or is simply not aware of some alternatives. You cannot expect everyone to research stuff like we do and some people are cheap that following influencer, and they usually use TikTok, Facebook etc.
I fully agree with you that the main priority must be to make people aware of things, this is what some organizations doing, since years, persistently and often without any profit. But you cannot expect someone to fight, giving his time and money for absolute nothing, so there is a relationship between people and organizations fighting for us because they simply need support and donations to establish changes on a bigger scale and this requires media attention and lots of money. My opinion here is that we should first support such things because you can use apps all day you want, it does not change the law and if such apps are declared illegal then your effort is useless or only a workaround.
I do not think the web is broken, we have here some very good people which shows that the web itself is not an issue, I think most people here come to an agreement that Big Tech is the real threat to free speech, surveillance and stuff that directly benefits themselves instead of all of us - which is the web. I think the web is like security, a concept which you constantly need to work on, together to make the idea reality.
Agree with you. Naturally developers and companies do not work for love, but they also have to pay their bills, especially if it is a service that needs a certain infrastructure, servers, etc.
But there are many other possibilities to earn money that do not put the privacy and security of the user at risk.
It is no longer a lack of privacy if your personal data circulates on the network, but this is a serious security risk, since once these data are sold to who knows, there is no possible control as they are treated or protected. It is not the first time that hundreds of thousands of personal data have been leaked from FB, Google and others, including banking and medical data.
This is the underlying problem, not just that Google reads your Gmail.
I find such accusations without anything behind pretty harsh.
EFF is not a transparent organization…
but what they are supposed to be is an activist organisation to fight for privacy, not some political analyst on a TV show…
Eff has some campaigns running and did so in the past. Campaign that people paid for and they were pretty transparent because they report about all won and lost battles. They have social media, you can ask and contact them over there too. Not sure what your definition of transparent is.
You can find absolute no organization without what you call questionable entities in it, the world is not about how perfect things should be, it is about reality and we are in a democracy, it is always about finding the best compromises that fits for everyone and not anarchy. Adding people that previously worked in e.g. Facebook, just an example does not automatically mean they negatively influence your organization, you need simply insiders, opinions and experts from both ends. I for example cannot claim X and then when someone ask me if I used it, admit nope I never did. This is not how real world works, you need to get in touch, get those people onboard and test things on your own and not what other puppets telling you.
If you like to smear campaign EFF and their mission feel free to open your own threat on this and then link it to them to give them a fair chance to respond. I do not like to shit-talk others behind their back. The things I express here are already expressed from myself on other platforms too, so I am no hypocrite. I also do not say everything some individuals or organizations do is what I always backup, but again we are in a democracy. If you want perfect things or a perfect world then the Internet is not for you.
You linked articles are not really a problem for EFF because they support privacy, we can now talk about whenever the Apple thing is good or bad for privacy but at least they try to go new ways and support - what they think - is better than the current situation. I rather would take this on Apple and not on EFF. People simply just use iOS if you like it or not and Apple tried to address some concerns, sure it is not perfect but its a small process and made some people more aware that there are currently issues.
Can we go back to topic, I think the Cambridge thing is already over and Facebook had his worst year in 2021. I do not like hijacking threads like this. I also do not like to smear someones entire reputation based on one or two things some people did, this is not how things should be handled. Name someone without any flaws, that would be real news and a big bummer. If you dig for dirt you always find some, on every side.
I do not backup EFF on every move they do or did, it also was only an example on who you can support with eg donations.
Now tell me what campaigns you running as private person … oh whoops none… Full circle.
Here is what people could do
good points. only one think is bothering me and that is EFF, by my opinion they are like a wolf in the sheep skin. Yes they acting in the favor of more private, secure and “better” web, but if you just look who is backing up the organization, who are the board members, then its clear that its a shady band (good example with fb and analytica scandal). im sorry but im applying zero trust policy even for them, even if i like the work what the whole EFF doing. this is just my personal view on the matter.
edit: they suggesting Signal to use, so fck eff particularry
Yeah, you always find something to criticize if you want to. However, they also often update statements and criticism. I am not going to defend them on Signal because I also dislike it, but sure as hell it is better than what most people use WhatsApp, Facebook etc.
Still upvote you because it is your opinion, which seems legitimate and has some points that I also think could be improved from EFFs end.
yes, correct. you can be like that, it was not an intention now, eff is big platform with huge impact. there is no point to criticize some/something if it is meaningless. respect for your efforts with badger. i hope it will not turn dark and evil on the end all with eff.
This is what the user can do, use software and services that do not use these spying techniques, but this is efficient in the first line when a large part of the users is aware of this problem, this should be the main task. We all here use Lemmy, Raddle, Diaspora, Mastodon, Friendica, and others to communicate, using decentralized networks, all kinds of extensions, front ends, and VPNs to avoid this surveillance.
All of this would not be necessary, if this surveillance and censorship did not exist on the Internet. But as I said before, this, apart from initiatives by consumer associations and legislators, requires the activity of the user himself who boycotts companies that use these criminal techniques, which has even expanded into the OpenSource field, since Big Tech has gotten involved. also there widely.
With the use of the Smartphone things have even worsened, to which almost all OS are directly controlled by Google, MS and Apple, if you cannot root and install a distro, such as LineageOS or similar. There is also no use in using decentralized networks, since the same OS is controlling us.
Among the users here all this is mainly well known, but this should also be spread among those who use shit like Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram and the like massively, unaware of having become simple raw material to enrich the oligopolies.
The initiatives are underway with increasing force, but there is still a long way to go and a lot of common sense among users, this must be transmitted by all of us who can, starting with our children, family and friends. I do at least.
Yeah I see, the thing is that the average user cannot see any difference between spying techniques, legitimate telemetry or is simply not aware of some alternatives. You cannot expect everyone to research stuff like we do and some people are cheap that following influencer, and they usually use TikTok, Facebook etc.
I fully agree with you that the main priority must be to make people aware of things, this is what some organizations doing, since years, persistently and often without any profit. But you cannot expect someone to fight, giving his time and money for absolute nothing, so there is a relationship between people and organizations fighting for us because they simply need support and donations to establish changes on a bigger scale and this requires media attention and lots of money. My opinion here is that we should first support such things because you can use apps all day you want, it does not change the law and if such apps are declared illegal then your effort is useless or only a workaround.
I do not think the web is broken, we have here some very good people which shows that the web itself is not an issue, I think most people here come to an agreement that Big Tech is the real threat to free speech, surveillance and stuff that directly benefits themselves instead of all of us - which is the web. I think the web is like security, a concept which you constantly need to work on, together to make the idea reality.
Agree with you. Naturally developers and companies do not work for love, but they also have to pay their bills, especially if it is a service that needs a certain infrastructure, servers, etc. But there are many other possibilities to earn money that do not put the privacy and security of the user at risk. It is no longer a lack of privacy if your personal data circulates on the network, but this is a serious security risk, since once these data are sold to who knows, there is no possible control as they are treated or protected. It is not the first time that hundreds of thousands of personal data have been leaked from FB, Google and others, including banking and medical data. This is the underlying problem, not just that Google reads your Gmail.
You still run into the problem of something like DigitalOcean/OVH becoming the centralised AWS…
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They created their Privacy Badger extension + spread their DnT philosophy, regardless if it is helpful or not.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/one-answer-facebook-problem-block-its-tracking-technologies
Talked a lot about the leak
Direct response
I think they responded a lot to Facebook, the entire scandal and started some campaigns to sue Zuck and co.
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I find such accusations without anything behind pretty harsh.
Eff has some campaigns running and did so in the past. Campaign that people paid for and they were pretty transparent because they report about all won and lost battles. They have social media, you can ask and contact them over there too. Not sure what your definition of transparent is.
Can we go back to topic, I think the Cambridge thing is already over and Facebook had his worst year in 2021. I do not like hijacking threads like this. I also do not like to smear someones entire reputation based on one or two things some people did, this is not how things should be handled. Name someone without any flaws, that would be real news and a big bummer. If you dig for dirt you always find some, on every side.
I do not backup EFF on every move they do or did, it also was only an example on who you can support with eg donations.
Now tell me what campaigns you running as private person … oh whoops none… Full circle.
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