Guns are part of American life for a lot of people, it’s enshrined in the constitution.
I know, I have friends with like 30+; I honestly don’t care that they have them. I’ve increasingly seen an appetite from Democrats I know to just drop the damn guns thing. We really don’t care about “taking all the guns”, we just want people to stop shooting up school buildings and random public events in our cities. I don’t think that’s a big ask.
Here’s where Republicans fall short. They give no potential solutions. If mental health isn’t solved by “money and psychiatrists”, why not? What will solve “metal health”? There’s a fine line between yelling “IDK look over there” and making a quality suggestion. People love to talk about both sides and debates … but there hasn’t been a serious policy debate in this country at the national stage in years because one side decided to start yelling something with the substance of “DDDDURRRRRRRRRRRR DDURRRRRR DDDDDURRRRRR” (typical about “woke”, “radical”, “socialist”, etc) rather than making actual points.
I can’t even tell you why Trump’s Obamacare replacement plan is or isn’t a bad idea, because (again) he never presented one. He just said “there will be one”. I don’t vote for promised plans, if you want my vote you better have a plan. The Democrats do have (even if flawed) thought out plans; the Republicans (increasingly) don’t.
The truth is mental health will not improve until material conditions improve.
I can’t tell you what Trump’s plan for this is either, because while you tie the gun and mental health crisis together and link them to the economy, the Republican party as a whole doesn’t. There’s not a policy position arguing “we’re going to solve the gun problem by doing X”. Here’s the Republican platform for 2016, reused for 2020: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-republican-party-platform. I challenge you to find anything in there stating how they’re going to address the left’s concerns about gun violence.
This is the Democrat platform for 2020, see “Ending the Epidemic of Gun Violence” (and yes it includes a real plan for how to solve the migration/border problem by attacking it at the roots not “building a wall” – which the cartels just dug tunnels under and cut through): https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf
You’re welcome to disagree with parts of the gun plan, or the plan in its entirety, but it’s a starting point. In a functioning Democracy, Republicans would come back with a serious proposal for “here’s how to improve this situation in a way that protects gun rights.” They have done no such thing. It would be one thing if this was “just” about guns, but it’s not, they do this all the time.
I feel a bit politically homeless sometimes because of how bad things are. But the elected officials do not always accurately represent the voting base, we simply vote for who we are supposed to just like people on the left do.
This to me is missing the forest for the trees. Sure, there are definitely corrupt politicians on both sides. However, what are they getting done and who are they serving at the end of the day?
Again, Trump promised to “repeal Obamacare and replace it with something so much better” (loose quote). Republicans before him like Paul Ryan made the same bogus claims. They all said “we’ll get it out right after we repeal Obamacare”. That’s not a plan, that’s a literal death sentence for some number of Americans (I won’t make up an internet statistic). Hell no I’m not voting for that, and I immediately am going to question your motive as a politician for suggesting the moral equivalent of “take the worn tires off the car and only then check to see if there are even any other tires to put on the car” (carrying the metaphor further, people have places to be and things to get done, they don’t need you breaking their cars in the middle of their day to day lives with no fix in sight).
Meanwhile, Joe Biden promised to make progress on the country’s aging infrastructure and followed through with the infrastructure bill.
I am a policy and action oriented person, and the policies and actions of Republican politicians I find reprehensible and at times completely counter productive.
I’d encourage you (and your friends) to pay attention to the Democrats running in your area, and their actual policy stances. There is variance in the Democrat’s platform (especially at the primary stage), and there is an appetite for compromise (they do it constantly, the infrastructure bill was passed because of compromise; it was not everything the majority of the party wanted – far from it – but it was what they could get done now). I’m willing to let guns go for other priorities, personally guns are not a “hell no” issue for me, and I know many other Democrats that agree. The country hasn’t lost its mind, but the Republican party has, and their false compromise, hostage taking, and political theater is making it REALLY hard to get shit done.
I know, I have friends with like 30+; I honestly don’t care that they have them. I’ve increasingly seen an appetite from Democrats I know to just drop the damn guns thing. We really don’t care about “taking all the guns”, we just want people to stop shooting up school buildings and random public events in our cities. I don’t think that’s a big ask.
Here’s where Republicans fall short. They give no potential solutions. If mental health isn’t solved by “money and psychiatrists”, why not? What will solve “metal health”? There’s a fine line between yelling “IDK look over there” and making a quality suggestion. People love to talk about both sides and debates … but there hasn’t been a serious policy debate in this country at the national stage in years because one side decided to start yelling something with the substance of “DDDDURRRRRRRRRRRR DDURRRRRR DDDDDURRRRRR” (typical about “woke”, “radical”, “socialist”, etc) rather than making actual points.
I can’t even tell you why Trump’s Obamacare replacement plan is or isn’t a bad idea, because (again) he never presented one. He just said “there will be one”. I don’t vote for promised plans, if you want my vote you better have a plan. The Democrats do have (even if flawed) thought out plans; the Republicans (increasingly) don’t.
I can’t tell you what Trump’s plan for this is either, because while you tie the gun and mental health crisis together and link them to the economy, the Republican party as a whole doesn’t. There’s not a policy position arguing “we’re going to solve the gun problem by doing X”. Here’s the Republican platform for 2016, reused for 2020: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-republican-party-platform. I challenge you to find anything in there stating how they’re going to address the left’s concerns about gun violence.
This is the Democrat platform for 2020, see “Ending the Epidemic of Gun Violence” (and yes it includes a real plan for how to solve the migration/border problem by attacking it at the roots not “building a wall” – which the cartels just dug tunnels under and cut through): https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf
You’re welcome to disagree with parts of the gun plan, or the plan in its entirety, but it’s a starting point. In a functioning Democracy, Republicans would come back with a serious proposal for “here’s how to improve this situation in a way that protects gun rights.” They have done no such thing. It would be one thing if this was “just” about guns, but it’s not, they do this all the time.
This to me is missing the forest for the trees. Sure, there are definitely corrupt politicians on both sides. However, what are they getting done and who are they serving at the end of the day?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Again, Trump promised to “repeal Obamacare and replace it with something so much better” (loose quote). Republicans before him like Paul Ryan made the same bogus claims. They all said “we’ll get it out right after we repeal Obamacare”. That’s not a plan, that’s a literal death sentence for some number of Americans (I won’t make up an internet statistic). Hell no I’m not voting for that, and I immediately am going to question your motive as a politician for suggesting the moral equivalent of “take the worn tires off the car and only then check to see if there are even any other tires to put on the car” (carrying the metaphor further, people have places to be and things to get done, they don’t need you breaking their cars in the middle of their day to day lives with no fix in sight).
Meanwhile, Joe Biden promised to make progress on the country’s aging infrastructure and followed through with the infrastructure bill.
I am a policy and action oriented person, and the policies and actions of Republican politicians I find reprehensible and at times completely counter productive.
I’d encourage you (and your friends) to pay attention to the Democrats running in your area, and their actual policy stances. There is variance in the Democrat’s platform (especially at the primary stage), and there is an appetite for compromise (they do it constantly, the infrastructure bill was passed because of compromise; it was not everything the majority of the party wanted – far from it – but it was what they could get done now). I’m willing to let guns go for other priorities, personally guns are not a “hell no” issue for me, and I know many other Democrats that agree. The country hasn’t lost its mind, but the Republican party has, and their false compromise, hostage taking, and political theater is making it REALLY hard to get shit done.