• @mathemachristian@lemm.ee
    49•9 months ago

    Protip: Its possible to acknowledge scientific realities without diminishing your religious beliefs. In fact if your religion requires you deny reality it might be a good idea to ask why.

    • @ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi
      6•9 months ago

      If you’re cherry picking your good book according to modern scientific advancements to the point where your worship is completely heretic from the point of view of a priest from 400 years ago, and would be completely different from the theology of someone like you 400 years from now, it’s time to reevaluate why you’re even bothering in the first place

      Is the rest of it even worth trusting

      You can’t know and you shouldn’t care

      Either live by the whole book the way they used to or drop the book and be normal

      • @mathemachristian@lemm.ee
        6•9 months ago

        Critical bible study does not mean cherry picking in the sense that you ignore certain passages and pretend they don’t exist.

        There are more ways of reading the bible than “this is literally 100% word for word what god is saying and unless especially noted a literal depiction of reality.”

        • @zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          7•9 months ago

          Basically read the Bible in the context it was written in to better understand its meaning instead of taking the reactionary approach where you work backwards from what you already believe.

          • @balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2•9 months ago

            It’s a book written at a moment in history when people believed thunder was god’s anger, and you’re trying to pick it apart to find out what is God’s message and what is some guy’s creative writing

            How stupid would modern people look if we died and found out god does indeed want us to stone people for adultery and that “those who are free of sin throw the first stone” part was just a scribe’s personal moral belief

            There’s no way to interpret, discard, or contextualize this book properly. There is no telling that god’s ways aren’t literally those in the ancient testament where you’re supposed to leave your raped daughter to die on your doorstep

            • @zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              3•9 months ago

              I’m an atheist, I don’t try to divine “god’s will” when I read the Bible critically. What I try is to understand the struggles of the people who wrote the passages.

              There’s no way to interpret, discard, or contextualize this book properly.

              Art is always open to reinterpretation. At this point you’re telling people they can’t do something and I’m just laughing cuz I already done it. Cope.

  • catsarebadpeople
    36•9 months ago

    Yeah but if someone thinks a different god than mine made the universe then they deserve to die so I can prove it was actually my god. Religious people for the last 50,000+ years

    That’s the difference. Religion has caused more pain and suffering than anything else ever, period, and I’m tired of pretending it hasn’t. More than the Holocaust, more than any non religious war, more than any government. Humanity simply can’t survive unless we leave religion behind.

  • @kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17•9 months ago

    There’s a very similar format in saying 29 in the Gospel of Thomas which is one of the most interesting things in all antiquity IMO:

    If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.

    Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty.

    For context, this was at a time when there was a major debate in philosophy between intelligent design (Plato, theological circles) and evolution (Epicureans).

    While extra-canonical, it’s pretty wild to have a quote being attributed to Jesus that’s not only entertaining but straight up calling the idea of the mind/spirit arising from naturalism as more amazing than arising from intelligent design.

    Though its conclusion ends up a bit dissimilar from OP, in finding the mind, not physical embodiment, as the greatest wonder in the universe.