A former leader of the right-wing Proud Boys group was sentenced on Tuesday to 22 years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump trying to overturn his election defeat.
What’s even better is him thinking he’s not going to be in prison long because Trump is going to win the next election and pardon him. My brother, there’s a greater chance of Trump becoming your cell mate.
I agree with you, but I don’t believe there’s going to be any sort of crowd clamoring for J6 rioters to be pardoned. The issue is early on, a LOT of right wing media decided that J6 was a false flag. There’s just not going to be many people beyond family members of J6 rioters that want them pardoned.
It’s true he doesn’t give a damn about these people but they’re useful for his scam. He’s already said he’ll pardon people and will continue to say it because it suits the narrative he’s pushing and what his base wants to hear.
The problem is he is toxic and will only get more so as his legal issues turn into jail time so it’s unlikely he’ll win election. If he were smart he’d drop out and secure a pardon from a more electable GOP nominee in return for endorsement. But he won’t. So it seems that these proud boy / oathkeeper idiots are likely to be spending a long time behind bars.
I bet Trump thinks about them a bit. Every day Trump isn’t in the White House he is reminded that they are failures. Zero surprise if they never get parole if Trump makes the WH.
Most of the country is dealing with a 30% to 50% cost of living increase, and they’re going to blame Biden for it. Trump got elected the first time because 6,000,000 were foreclosed upon when Obama was president.
It’s possible, but as much as people are exhausted with Biden, nothing would get blue to turn out to vote like another chance of Trump. Blue would vote for a tent full of mosquitoes if it meant voting against Trump. Trump supporters have gotten more fanatical, not more numerous. Some of my own family members are currently in orange pill recovery. Not to mention all the Reds that died of COVID denial. Then you factor in young people now eligible to vote skewing blue. The only person I think Trump could beat honestly would be Hillary. Red would show up to vote against her if not for Trump.
That was the argument people made for Hillary’s certain victory on Election Day, that the notion of Trump being elected would mean a huge Democratic turnout.
Thing is, people aren’t going to give a shit who the candidate of change is when they can’t afford their grocery bills, and Trump isn’t going to have to lie about how little Biden has done to alleviate people’s poverty.
I didn’t vote when it was Hillary or Tbag. I hated both. But I’ll keep voting to protect against him happening again. It’s exactly what the dems are counting on, and it’s unfortunately working on me.
Still waiting to see who I’ll vote for in primaries, though. My vote only counts there in my state.
I ask because the republicans viewed her as a threat from the time she was first lady (she wanted universal healthcare - which she almost got, but the rightwing defeated her by talking about a republican vision/plan for an individual mandate, which was basically obamacare, she talked about women’s rights, she was pulling her husband to the left on some issues, etc). They knew she had the type of balls to run for president and the Hillary hate propaganda machine has been running strong for over 20+ years, because they were scared she would win. That’s why I’m wondering what got you to hate her - what tactic of their hate machine do you think worked on you?
Edit - and I hope you understand conservatives would destroy the internet as it is, and they have been trying
It wasn’t any tactic they used. I read an article where she talked about policy she wanted implemented during her first term that I thought showed a basic misunderstanding of the internet. Unfortunately, I can’t remember what it was to share. But I didn’t think Trump stood any chance of winning so I withheld my vote and have regretted that ever since.
How about we get better candidates from both mainstream parties if they actually want swing voters, rather than painting their opposition as a bunch of shitbags. (Mind you, both parties are shitbags who force unpopular policies).
Ideally that would be in the case, but in reality with FPTP your vote for Green has the same effect as a vote for Trump. I’m much farther left than the Dems, but until we have a revolution that’s just how it is.
I’m not saying it won’t be close. My parents who voted for him complain about how often they get asked to donate to his campaign slash legal fund. I don’t think that’s a great look if it’s about grocery money.
I remember 2016. Bernie bros felt maybe rightfully so that he got shafted in the primary. Many didn’t turn out. Trump as obvious of a con man as he was to us, was a successful business man to many centrist voters. I think that illusion has mostly faded. On top of that people on the right were programmed to hate Hillary since the 90s. The vitriol for Trump now is the best shot Biden has, and I think it’s enough.
While I agree with most of that, I thought it was shown recently that younger people are skewing right. Internet propaganda has been super effective lately it seems :/
Maybe it’s the bubble I’m in, but I’ve seen the opposite in the news. Between climate, school shootings, minimum wage, student loan forgiveness, abortion rights, and marijuana legalization, one party at least acts progressive, while the other actively tries to block change. I’m not sure which conservative talking points are resonating with the majority of young people.
What’s even better is him thinking he’s not going to be in prison long because Trump is going to win the next election and pardon him. My brother, there’s a greater chance of Trump becoming your cell mate.
Yeah… Even if Trump wins there’s no way he remembers or cares about anyone involved in Jan 6.
These guys are way more screwed than they realize.
Trump is a narcissist who cares about image and the cheers of crowds. If pardoning J6 traitors gets him that, he will do it.
I agree with you, but I don’t believe there’s going to be any sort of crowd clamoring for J6 rioters to be pardoned. The issue is early on, a LOT of right wing media decided that J6 was a false flag. There’s just not going to be many people beyond family members of J6 rioters that want them pardoned.
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It’s true he doesn’t give a damn about these people but they’re useful for his scam. He’s already said he’ll pardon people and will continue to say it because it suits the narrative he’s pushing and what his base wants to hear.
The problem is he is toxic and will only get more so as his legal issues turn into jail time so it’s unlikely he’ll win election. If he were smart he’d drop out and secure a pardon from a more electable GOP nominee in return for endorsement. But he won’t. So it seems that these proud boy / oathkeeper idiots are likely to be spending a long time behind bars.
I bet Trump thinks about them a bit. Every day Trump isn’t in the White House he is reminded that they are failures. Zero surprise if they never get parole if Trump makes the WH.
Unfortunately, it could happen.
Most of the country is dealing with a 30% to 50% cost of living increase, and they’re going to blame Biden for it. Trump got elected the first time because 6,000,000 were foreclosed upon when Obama was president.
It’s possible, but as much as people are exhausted with Biden, nothing would get blue to turn out to vote like another chance of Trump. Blue would vote for a tent full of mosquitoes if it meant voting against Trump. Trump supporters have gotten more fanatical, not more numerous. Some of my own family members are currently in orange pill recovery. Not to mention all the Reds that died of COVID denial. Then you factor in young people now eligible to vote skewing blue. The only person I think Trump could beat honestly would be Hillary. Red would show up to vote against her if not for Trump.
That was the argument people made for Hillary’s certain victory on Election Day, that the notion of Trump being elected would mean a huge Democratic turnout.
Thing is, people aren’t going to give a shit who the candidate of change is when they can’t afford their grocery bills, and Trump isn’t going to have to lie about how little Biden has done to alleviate people’s poverty.
I didn’t vote when it was Hillary or Tbag. I hated both. But I’ll keep voting to protect against him happening again. It’s exactly what the dems are counting on, and it’s unfortunately working on me.
Still waiting to see who I’ll vote for in primaries, though. My vote only counts there in my state.
So what was your hatred of Hillary based on out of curiosity?
I recall that she supported some regulation of the internet that I considered harmful. I can’t recall the specifics anymore.
I ask because the republicans viewed her as a threat from the time she was first lady (she wanted universal healthcare - which she almost got, but the rightwing defeated her by talking about a republican vision/plan for an individual mandate, which was basically obamacare, she talked about women’s rights, she was pulling her husband to the left on some issues, etc). They knew she had the type of balls to run for president and the Hillary hate propaganda machine has been running strong for over 20+ years, because they were scared she would win. That’s why I’m wondering what got you to hate her - what tactic of their hate machine do you think worked on you?
Edit - and I hope you understand conservatives would destroy the internet as it is, and they have been trying
It wasn’t any tactic they used. I read an article where she talked about policy she wanted implemented during her first term that I thought showed a basic misunderstanding of the internet. Unfortunately, I can’t remember what it was to share. But I didn’t think Trump stood any chance of winning so I withheld my vote and have regretted that ever since.
It’s good to vote, for sure.
I’ll be voting Green myself.
A green vote is no different than a Trump vote
A green vote is a green vote.
A libertarian vote is a libertarian vote.
An independent vote is an indepdent vote.
How about we get better candidates from both mainstream parties if they actually want swing voters, rather than painting their opposition as a bunch of shitbags. (Mind you, both parties are shitbags who force unpopular policies).
Ideally that would be in the case, but in reality with FPTP your vote for Green has the same effect as a vote for Trump. I’m much farther left than the Dems, but until we have a revolution that’s just how it is.
I’m not saying it won’t be close. My parents who voted for him complain about how often they get asked to donate to his campaign slash legal fund. I don’t think that’s a great look if it’s about grocery money.
I remember 2016. Bernie bros felt maybe rightfully so that he got shafted in the primary. Many didn’t turn out. Trump as obvious of a con man as he was to us, was a successful business man to many centrist voters. I think that illusion has mostly faded. On top of that people on the right were programmed to hate Hillary since the 90s. The vitriol for Trump now is the best shot Biden has, and I think it’s enough.
I would vote for a bathtub full of scorpions and vipers before I vote for Trump
While I agree with most of that, I thought it was shown recently that younger people are skewing right. Internet propaganda has been super effective lately it seems :/
This seems to show younger is still more left wing
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/younger-voters-are-poised-to-upend-american-politics/
This is a year and half old but another source
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/demographics-and-lifestyle-differences-among-typology-groups/
Glad to know I was mistaken!
Maybe it’s the bubble I’m in, but I’ve seen the opposite in the news. Between climate, school shootings, minimum wage, student loan forgiveness, abortion rights, and marijuana legalization, one party at least acts progressive, while the other actively tries to block change. I’m not sure which conservative talking points are resonating with the majority of young people.
that’s maybe part of the reason Trump got elected but that’s not the main reason by a long shot
That would be the ultimate punishment for both of them. They have to deal with each other for the next 22 years.