I don’t know. I think we need controlled studies to find out what the actual most painful way possible to die is. How many rapists and murderers do we have? I’m sure we can spare some of those for testing purposes.
Personally, my money is on someone being slowly fed into a wood chipper while on fire and drinking battery acid.
Well, they probably didn’t do it very scientifically but if they could think of it and the tools existed, someone in history is likely to have tried it as a method for killing people.
Impaled people, for instance, could allegedly take days to die. Being slowly eaten by ants or rats sounds pretty painful too
There’s one called “life” that is pretty cruel too. It might take anywhere from seconds to more than a hundred years for it to eventually kill you and some.people get to experience a lot of pain throughout the experience.
Dude I’ve had depression since I was in first grade, so you’re preaching to the choir on that last one. But no I was speaking of scientific method here.
He mentions rapists and murderers. I choose to think that they don’t deserve to be given a gruesome death (or a death sentence at all for that matter) but I’d be lying if I said I have never felt that way when reading about some f-ed up stuff on the news.
Maybe I’m also higher on the Hitler scale than I thought I was.
If you can support the death penalty for them, then you can also support the irreversible traumatization of them.
However, if you cannot be confident enough in your justice system, just don’t do it. A wrongful conviction would have no possible restitution for death or torture.
I agree with you, and that’s what I choose to think when I feel like the “best” version of me.
But there are moments (or a part of me) that has a way more violent disposition and feels differently about people who do terrible thing.
I’m a very calm person and not at all violent so please don’t report me to the police on the base of these posts… That violent part of me is small and weak, but I just think it’s important to acknowledge it because it’s also the part that makes me recognize that a rapist or a murderer is a person like me and that it might be me, with the wrong set of circumstances, life choices and frame of mind.
I understand, and the point of punishment is to well… punish the offender for the offence they committed, and to deter others who might not be at the ‘best’ version of themselves from thinking of committing the same offence.
Punishment and deterrence. It is something that my country of Singapore has no end of pride in when talking about the low crime. It helps that some subset of the population of Singapore do serve for a time in the Singapore Police Force as part of HomeTeamNS, which helps assure the people that the police are accountable, lest an NSman whistleblow upon the issues that they face or some other systemic problem.
Now, our justice system isn’t perfect, and some scandals over the years regarding the legal system’s favoritism towards the affluent, and the high performing students have made the news. But the things that attract the death penalty are things that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, with objective measures on the evidence like the presence and amount of drugs that indicate dealing and trafficking, being a partner to or as an offender in the use of firearms in service to a crime, and intentioned murder.
We put these hard and very provable requirements on the sentencing of the death penalty because it is no joke, that the courts have to be as infallible as possible in handing out these judgements.
We support the existence of death penalty in our justice system because we find it necessary to safeguard us from these heinous crimes in a way that best minimizes damage to our society, and we trust our courts to be impartial and discerning in each case they hear where it is in the cards.
Can yoir country achieve the same? That is the question you must ask before you consider implementing the death penalty. Your institutions must be strong, competent, and incorruptible before you can do these things. It is a hallmark of good governance that we can do all of these terrible punishments (including caning!) without regret.
That being said, it is extremely sad what happened to that 14 year old girl in India. May those rapist-murderers find their due justice in the questionable institutions of India. It is because of poor deterrence, corrupt institutions, and the poor attitude of the populace that this goes on unfettered in India. I hope you agree that they anger you as well as they did me.
At the end of it all, it is our choices of action that define us, not our thoughts. May you find it within you to accept yourself and all of your thoughts as your own.
I don’t know. I think we need controlled studies to find out what the actual most painful way possible to die is. How many rapists and murderers do we have? I’m sure we can spare some of those for testing purposes.
Personally, my money is on someone being slowly fed into a wood chipper while on fire and drinking battery acid.
Well, they probably didn’t do it very scientifically but if they could think of it and the tools existed, someone in history is likely to have tried it as a method for killing people.
Impaled people, for instance, could allegedly take days to die. Being slowly eaten by ants or rats sounds pretty painful too
There’s one called “life” that is pretty cruel too. It might take anywhere from seconds to more than a hundred years for it to eventually kill you and some.people get to experience a lot of pain throughout the experience.
Dude I’ve had depression since I was in first grade, so you’re preaching to the choir on that last one. But no I was speaking of scientific method here.
Shit, I’m sorry, it was insensitive of me to make that joke (well, half-joke)
Joke? It’s the straight up truth.
Don’t feel sorry for people wanting to experiment on living humans to find the most gruesome form of death…
He mentions rapists and murderers. I choose to think that they don’t deserve to be given a gruesome death (or a death sentence at all for that matter) but I’d be lying if I said I have never felt that way when reading about some f-ed up stuff on the news. Maybe I’m also higher on the Hitler scale than I thought I was.
If you can support the death penalty for them, then you can also support the irreversible traumatization of them.
However, if you cannot be confident enough in your justice system, just don’t do it. A wrongful conviction would have no possible restitution for death or torture.
I agree with you, and that’s what I choose to think when I feel like the “best” version of me.
But there are moments (or a part of me) that has a way more violent disposition and feels differently about people who do terrible thing.
I’m a very calm person and not at all violent so please don’t report me to the police on the base of these posts… That violent part of me is small and weak, but I just think it’s important to acknowledge it because it’s also the part that makes me recognize that a rapist or a murderer is a person like me and that it might be me, with the wrong set of circumstances, life choices and frame of mind.
I understand, and the point of punishment is to well… punish the offender for the offence they committed, and to deter others who might not be at the ‘best’ version of themselves from thinking of committing the same offence.
Punishment and deterrence. It is something that my country of Singapore has no end of pride in when talking about the low crime. It helps that some subset of the population of Singapore do serve for a time in the Singapore Police Force as part of HomeTeamNS, which helps assure the people that the police are accountable, lest an NSman whistleblow upon the issues that they face or some other systemic problem.
Now, our justice system isn’t perfect, and some scandals over the years regarding the legal system’s favoritism towards the affluent, and the high performing students have made the news. But the things that attract the death penalty are things that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, with objective measures on the evidence like the presence and amount of drugs that indicate dealing and trafficking, being a partner to or as an offender in the use of firearms in service to a crime, and intentioned murder.
We put these hard and very provable requirements on the sentencing of the death penalty because it is no joke, that the courts have to be as infallible as possible in handing out these judgements.
We support the existence of death penalty in our justice system because we find it necessary to safeguard us from these heinous crimes in a way that best minimizes damage to our society, and we trust our courts to be impartial and discerning in each case they hear where it is in the cards.
Can yoir country achieve the same? That is the question you must ask before you consider implementing the death penalty. Your institutions must be strong, competent, and incorruptible before you can do these things. It is a hallmark of good governance that we can do all of these terrible punishments (including caning!) without regret.
That being said, it is extremely sad what happened to that 14 year old girl in India. May those rapist-murderers find their due justice in the questionable institutions of India. It is because of poor deterrence, corrupt institutions, and the poor attitude of the populace that this goes on unfettered in India. I hope you agree that they anger you as well as they did me.
At the end of it all, it is our choices of action that define us, not our thoughts. May you find it within you to accept yourself and all of your thoughts as your own.