Agreed, hes not exactly clean from wrongdoing but based on the wiki i dont think he was hatefull.
The controversy was a shock to Walter Lantz, who prided himself on avoiding problems with the censors. He repeatedly stated that his cartoons were never meant to offend anyone. After the 1949 decision, Lantz made a major effort to exclude any offensive caricatures of racial or ethnic groups in his cartoons. He also promised that Scrub Me Mama would never be distributed on television; however, according to eyewitness accounts, the short was broadcast on TV during the 1950s and continued to be seen as late as the 1980s.
We are going to need a proper conversation about this. People can act a certain way without completly
being that way. All racist behavior is bad but I personally draw a line at do they actually carry hate or disdain. Some people are just ignorant and others nondiscriminatory don’t care about anyone thats not themselves which ain’t good either but still not Fascist.
We are going to need a proper conversation about this. People can act a certain way without completly
being that way. All racist behavior is bad but I personally draw a line at do they actually carry hate or disdain. Some people are just ignorant and others nondiscriminatory don’t care about anyone thats not themselves which ain’t good either but still not Fascist.
Yeah, I agree with this. There are way too many people who see life in 1bit (black or white) when life isn’t even greyscale; life is in color. Additionally, there were so many racist, sexist, homophobic people even just 20yrs ago, that if you start demonizing them for actions they took 20yrs ago, you’ll very quickly run out of people to support. It’s also very easy for people to get caught in the current and get dragged places they didn’t mean to go because it was normalized in their community.
I’m not ashamed to admit that I haven’t always been the most tolerant person out there (I’ll get to that in a moment). I was pretty homophobic and transphobic as a teenager because I grew up in a time where that was normal, in an area where it was accepted. I was usually an outcast and didn’t have many irl friends, and so most of my friends were online. Some of my “”“friends”“” almost led me down the alt-right rabbit hole while I was in college, and as much as I want to say I left that group voluntarily, the truth is that I was too lonely and afraid of losing the only friends I had (the leopards eventually tried to eat my face, which was the slap in the face I needed to get out of that). My parents didn’t support gay marriage, my grandparents were skeptical of the lesbian couple that moved in down the street from them.
But we changed.
After the leopards ate my face, I stopped and reexamined my life. I thought about the direction I wanted to go in and who I really wanted to be. I now identify as trans. I support BLM. I have a lot of friends in the LGBT community. I’m a fucking furry. My parents now support gay marriage (they still view homosexuality as being a sin, but now they don’t see it as being any worse than any other sin and support your right to be gay). My grandparents have expressed sadness that “that lesbian couple down the street” are moving away (sadly unsurprising since it’s Texas). That’s why I’m not ashamed to admit that I wasn’t always a very tolerant person; I’ve changed and fuck you, I’m proud of that. There’s nothing wrong with admitting that; it doesn’t make you any less of a person for doing so.
Humans aren’t an immutable, unchanging hunk of stone. We can change so long as we’re willing. Hell, others can change you even if you’re unwilling to change, so long as you aren’t holding hate or fear in your heart (though ironically, sometimes, sometimes that can actually make it easier for someone to change you, for better or for worse).
Why are people so insistent on defining present you based on past you? Like, I’m sorry I was a shit when I was younger, but I’m not that person anymore. Can we move on please? That’s part of the reason why things like this bother me. I see part of me in situations like this. Maybe Lantz really was a racist pos throughout his life. Maybe he just cleaned up his public behavior but was still a racist fuck behind closed doors. But maybe he was caught up in the current and didn’t realize where he was until life slapped him in the face.
Edit: I feel like a lot of the people who insist on coloring in broad strokes are probably people who had the privilege of growing up in places where people who are LGBT and/or BIPOC were accepted. Not everyone had that privilege. I also suspect that some of them may have some level of bigotry that they’re either blind to or ashamed of, but for one reason or another, are unable to let go of.
He’s a product of his time, his ignorance isn’t excusable and he isn’t around anymore so who cares about him or his legacy and creations. He’s racist, he made racist cartoons and we don’t need him or his ilk anymore so move on from them or defending them.
No one is truly black or white. Where all complex and layered individuals.
Racists/facist are people who hate others.
Hate is the emotion that makes people want to hurt or even kill when given the chance.
Everyone can act racist, even you. Especially when this is normalized in your surroundings you may never even realize it is racist. The majority of such people can be helped with better education making them aware of the suffering that systematic stereotypes cause.
Real racists don’t because they already know. their intention is to hurt. The only way to fix them is with vast therapy.
Personally i am a far left anarchist.
No masters, no slaves, no violence and no borders is my ethos. But if i start calling everyone who is simply worried about immigration a fascist then, i am quickly going to end up with no one to collaborate with.
Agreed, hes not exactly clean from wrongdoing but based on the wiki i dont think he was hatefull.
The controversy was a shock to Walter Lantz, who prided himself on avoiding problems with the censors. He repeatedly stated that his cartoons were never meant to offend anyone. After the 1949 decision, Lantz made a major effort to exclude any offensive caricatures of racial or ethnic groups in his cartoons. He also promised that Scrub Me Mama would never be distributed on television; however, according to eyewitness accounts, the short was broadcast on TV during the 1950s and continued to be seen as late as the 1980s.
We are going to need a proper conversation about this. People can act a certain way without completly being that way. All racist behavior is bad but I personally draw a line at do they actually carry hate or disdain. Some people are just ignorant and others nondiscriminatory don’t care about anyone thats not themselves which ain’t good either but still not Fascist.
Yeah, I agree with this. There are way too many people who see life in 1bit (black or white) when life isn’t even greyscale; life is in color. Additionally, there were so many racist, sexist, homophobic people even just 20yrs ago, that if you start demonizing them for actions they took 20yrs ago, you’ll very quickly run out of people to support. It’s also very easy for people to get caught in the current and get dragged places they didn’t mean to go because it was normalized in their community.
I’m not ashamed to admit that I haven’t always been the most tolerant person out there (I’ll get to that in a moment). I was pretty homophobic and transphobic as a teenager because I grew up in a time where that was normal, in an area where it was accepted. I was usually an outcast and didn’t have many irl friends, and so most of my friends were online. Some of my “”“friends”“” almost led me down the alt-right rabbit hole while I was in college, and as much as I want to say I left that group voluntarily, the truth is that I was too lonely and afraid of losing the only friends I had (the leopards eventually tried to eat my face, which was the slap in the face I needed to get out of that). My parents didn’t support gay marriage, my grandparents were skeptical of the lesbian couple that moved in down the street from them.
But we changed.
After the leopards ate my face, I stopped and reexamined my life. I thought about the direction I wanted to go in and who I really wanted to be. I now identify as trans. I support BLM. I have a lot of friends in the LGBT community. I’m a fucking furry. My parents now support gay marriage (they still view homosexuality as being a sin, but now they don’t see it as being any worse than any other sin and support your right to be gay). My grandparents have expressed sadness that “that lesbian couple down the street” are moving away (sadly unsurprising since it’s Texas). That’s why I’m not ashamed to admit that I wasn’t always a very tolerant person; I’ve changed and fuck you, I’m proud of that. There’s nothing wrong with admitting that; it doesn’t make you any less of a person for doing so.
Humans aren’t an immutable, unchanging hunk of stone. We can change so long as we’re willing. Hell, others can change you even if you’re unwilling to change, so long as you aren’t holding hate or fear in your heart (though ironically, sometimes, sometimes that can actually make it easier for someone to change you, for better or for worse).
Why are people so insistent on defining present you based on past you? Like, I’m sorry I was a shit when I was younger, but I’m not that person anymore. Can we move on please? That’s part of the reason why things like this bother me. I see part of me in situations like this. Maybe Lantz really was a racist pos throughout his life. Maybe he just cleaned up his public behavior but was still a racist fuck behind closed doors. But maybe he was caught up in the current and didn’t realize where he was until life slapped him in the face.
Edit: I feel like a lot of the people who insist on coloring in broad strokes are probably people who had the privilege of growing up in places where people who are LGBT and/or BIPOC were accepted. Not everyone had that privilege. I also suspect that some of them may have some level of bigotry that they’re either blind to or ashamed of, but for one reason or another, are unable to let go of.
Direct your attention to @flyingsquid’s second reply above.
No we don’t need a conversation.
He’s a product of his time, his ignorance isn’t excusable and he isn’t around anymore so who cares about him or his legacy and creations. He’s racist, he made racist cartoons and we don’t need him or his ilk anymore so move on from them or defending them.
Not about him no but in general we do.
No one is truly black or white. Where all complex and layered individuals.
Racists/facist are people who hate others.
Hate is the emotion that makes people want to hurt or even kill when given the chance.
Everyone can act racist, even you. Especially when this is normalized in your surroundings you may never even realize it is racist. The majority of such people can be helped with better education making them aware of the suffering that systematic stereotypes cause.
Real racists don’t because they already know. their intention is to hurt. The only way to fix them is with vast therapy.
Personally i am a far left anarchist. No masters, no slaves, no violence and no borders is my ethos. But if i start calling everyone who is simply worried about immigration a fascist then, i am quickly going to end up with no one to collaborate with.