I don’t like to see so many political posts in all and so many weird images in comment sections
What in the world have I woken up into…
As an Asian/Taiwanese, I do not understand why Hexbearians feel the need to point out what’s racist for us.
The picture of Xi the Pooh is clearly a parody and pointed specifically at Xi and the CCP, and not a general racist insult to Asians. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, in East Asia knows that, including the Chinese themselves. We use/refer to it a lot ourselves on our own social media platforms in Taiwan (習維尼, 習: Xi, and Winnie the Pooh: 維尼), and if you mention any of it on Chinese social media Weibo/WeChat, you likely will get banned from the platform.Kind of reminds me of cultural appropriation gone out of hand, where Westerners feel the need to be angry at other Westerners for wearing Japanese Kimonos or Chinese Quipaos. Like, no one here is offended. We don’t understand why those people feel the need to be angry for us.
Edit: I just saw a Hexbear comment on another thread posting that China doesn’t ban Winnie the Pooh because Disney is able to exist. Well, no shit. It’s in the context of Disney. Put that phrase in any other thread on their platform (preferably political) and see what happens, then can you claim that the CCP doesn’t ban the word Xi the Pooh.
Watch out, you’re Taiwanese so you don’t exist to those racism fighters 👍
poof
How dare you try to develop your own opinion. Don’t you know that white girls on social media get to tell you what to be offended by?
Combating racism with racism. Well that’s just great.
White paternalism is a form of racism. Are you one of those “the real racists are the ones calling out my racism” types?
How dare you not let the, probably also white, tankies decide what is and is not racist towards you. /s i hope they all kick rocks
嗨，難得可以在 Lemmy 上遇到台灣人。相信我，我懂你的心情。我前幾天也被六熊們搞得很煩。什麼新疆人過得很好、習維尼迷因是種族歧視、台灣是中共領土等巴拉巴拉的。
我家外面風好大，雨也好大，你那邊呢？
嗨 是真的難得在這邊遇到台灣人
我也沒特別加入甚麼亞洲人群哈哈我住北部 這邊風雨現在還好
明天看起來不會有颱風假了😂
東部南部跟離島看起來比較嚴重
希望你那邊安好：）Edit: Someone clearly is salty enough to downvote a comment they didn’t read or even bother to translate themselves. FYI, it’s about the typhoon weather here in Taiwan. Not even remotely political/on topic. Pathetic.
I also noticed the 1 or 2 people downvoting our comments. Seems like some people just downvote things they don’t understand. Pathetic indeed.
我其實也住北部啦哈哈，風真的很大，雨普通大而已。謝謝關心 xD。但我還是不死心，希望明天有颱風假
剛剛宣布北北基桃明天正常上班上課… 眼神死
坐等新竹
不過大概也沒望了 ：（
Having DeepL is pretty fun. :)
Yeah as far as I know the Winnie the Pooh thing originated in the PRC. Apparently Xi is really upset about it and did a hard ban on it. But it’s kinda a Streisand effect kind of thing so places outside of the CCP’s control kinda ran with it.
But the hexbears are just conditioned to say it’s racist to try to shut down any conversation about it. I mean it’s their tyrant using censorship for an extremely petty reason. I probably wouldn’t call him Xi the Pooh myself if it weren’t for the fact that this tyrant is so butthurt and petty about it. And that’s what makes it hilarious. And fuck that guy.
Kind of reminds me of cultural appropriation gone out of hand, where Westerners feel the need to be angry at other Westerners for wearing Japanese Kimonos or Chinese Quipaos.
Yeah the whole cultural appropriation thing is weird. Sure it’s wrong to trivialize something that holds a lot cultural or religious significance to others. But people generally like seeing others participate in their culture, and they’ll let you know when something is sacred and not for a casual tourist to participate in.
When I went to Peru I bought a shirt from a tourist shop that was the local style. Everyone seemed happy to see that. One older woman said she was happy to see a westerner wearing the local style and invited me to a wedding. Approval all around… except for one guy that said I probably shouldn’t be wearing that shirt. It was a white guy from the UK (judging from the accent).
And the kimono thing is really weird. When I was in Kyoto, anyone could dress up as a samurai or a geisha. Not only was it acceptable, the shops would give discounts to people dressed up this way. Because it made things more fun. This may be shocking to some people, but cosplay is fairly popular in Japan. I also saw some dudes in a park cosplaying as American 1950s geasers. Was I offended by this because they were appropriating our culture? Of course not, they seemed to be having fun and nobody dresses that way anymore anyway.
The idea of a blanket stigmatizing of western people having any participation in other cultures seems like it’ll be a problem long term. If it’s ok for everyone in the world to adopt western culture, but not ok for westerners to adopt anything from anyone else’s culture, then western culture spreads and other cultures don’t. Seems to me like what happens with colonialism, but this time with good intentions! But intentions doesn’t change the result. And if the result is the spread of western culture while preventing the spread of other cultures, seems like a bad result to me.
I probably wouldn’t call him Xi the Pooh myself
If I were a head of state, on a suitable occasion I’d absolutely make sure that the state present is a selection of the finest local honeys. Also some mead for completeness’ sake. Let their diplomatic corps bend over backwards attempting to not insult such a fine offering of friendship.
EDIT: Oh. This episode of Yes, Prime Minister.
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One of them called me a nazi apologist because of something similar. Like how in the fuck did you make that connection? They’re delusional at best, a troll factory at worst.
It’s called Whitesplaining and it’s actually in the dictionary.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whitesplain
“(of a white person) to comment on the minority experience or explain racism to a person of color in a condescending or blaming way…”
I think it’s a key giveaway that someone is a narcissist.
Not really westerners. Pretty much the whole US left with their history of fucked-up race relations and cultural penchant for either pussy-footing or waving their dicks around, nothing in between, and a small splattering of leftist from other countries drawn into their bullshit reasoning and inability to see context that is beyond the brim of their burger.
Hexbear: why do so many people want to degenerate with us
Also hexbear: Spams every complaint in other instances with unrelated images
They are so eager to prove themselves the assholes that people accuse them of being, and then they whine and cry about instances defederating from them.
I’m pretty sure the whole thing is a false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse. It seems a lot like a blend of bad leftist parody, and edgy 14-year-olds who fell for it
Sounds like r/chapotraphouse in a nutshell.
Also, I think TheDude was underselling why they were originally banned on Reddit. They were the left-wing version of r/TheDonald. The reason he listed was just the excuse Reddit used to justify kicking them off the platform
This exactly. I swear the entire point is to discredit and divide. The FBI couldn’t do a better job if they tried. What I’ve been finding really interesting is the stress they put on being “anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-fascist, etc”. If you were really those things you would most definitely not need to shoehorn that into EVERY SINGLE COMMENT. “hey it’s a nice day outside, I’m anti-racist anti homophobic anti trans anti fascist btw” Mind you on reddit when chapotraphouse was popular there were a lot of them talking about how they HATE identity politics and basically dismissing anything to do with race. So the pronouns in the names, the constant non sequitors about how they’re actually “more anti-racist and anti-homophobic” than you, etc. It feels like it might just be really deep irony and they’re just memeing it.
I mistakenly assumed that they would be more similar to chapotraphouse, but now I see that the 3 year exile has stripped away many of the reasonable people. I still hope some of these users will snap out of it and realize they are acting obnoxiously and unproductively, but the chances of that happening seem slim at this point.
CTH was aggressively leftist but it was actually funny and self aware. Hexbear seems to have forgotten how to interact with ordinary people.
I mean, I like aggressively leftist and most of lemmy that I’ve experienced feels that way. This hexbear shit feels like anti-leftist agitation though. It fucking stinks of feds. If not at the beginning, they’re certainly there now
I don’t know, I’ve actually met people in real life who were sort of like that. It was really toned down compared to what you would read online but it was still there.
Oh, I literally just had a comment on my thoughts on it. Here is it pasted, since I don’t want direct linking to it. TLDR it’s probably majority those 14 year olds, not a false flag.
I don’t think they are pretending to be those things. They truly believe themselves and their interpretation of Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, communism and socialist projects to be true and just.
The only issue is that they come from a specific strain of western leftist that got into the “uwu dank Soviet club” meme of the mid-10s and never evolved past that understanding of the people, projects, policies and states they stan like a fandom. They could take some lessons from the anarchists tbqh, but they’d rather post PPB and “liberals get the wall”. Very annoying.
We will convince them to like us by spamming emojis knowing that they will take up the screens of our opponents! That’ll show ‘em
Don’t forget the 5-10% of them who aggressively insult OP and anyone else commenting in the thread.
So, the primary reason that happens, and the primary reason I’d vote defederation on them every time, is because their instance has down votes disabled for some forsaken reason. It’s not 100% the users fault, it’s because a comment is the only mode of response they have available for something they don’t agree with. So a negative image macro is their downvote. Due to this, they end up flooding other instances threads and only see a bunch of people who agree with the op of a thread or a post, which of course makes them feel like they need to show their displeasure way what’s been posted. Meanwhile we can see the 500 to 9.2k ratio on the racist hot take.
The way our instances are run is just fundamentally incompatible.
Don’t listen to hexbear users when they say they “defend themselves” from homophobia and transphobia. One user thought the admin of Blahaj.zone was being transphobic for not allowing politics in every community. Hexbear users will literally just lie about the repamant amount of homophobia and transphobia to justify their existence here.
Mind that the two admins of Blahaj.zone are trans women, which makes it extra ridiculous.
That whole thing was a shit show and I somehow was able to stumble across each and every single part of it as it happened.
It all happened merely days after hexbear said Blahaj was somehow not safe for their LGBT members, so then having those new accounts pull this was so obvious as where could the users came from.
Umm… They lie about everything actually.
Hexbear was/is a shit show. Then again, I hate politics and idiots with a burning passion. (Grew up in the South with Far right idiots belching brain dead arguments) It’s very hostile. I was semi-fine with hostility on Reddit, I’d happily bite and fight. But, I’m honestly trying to have a good experience, so Hexbear is a no-go for me.
And for the inevitable herd of Hexbearians that will no doubt squawk this post to hell: I am a nonbinary, demisexual, melungeon witch, I can’t stand racists or bigots or *phobes, I don’t care for politics or politicians, but will happily vote for whoever doesn’t try to make my existence illegal!
I actually just abandoned this instance purely because of hexbears sudden federation here.
They’re just a bunch of assholes masquerading as sensible leftists.
I was really sad to leave but I refuse to deal with them.
They are like wasps. If you agitate one, you’ll get mobbed by countless others. I tried to reason with one yesterday and I’m still getting notifications from random hexbear users coming at me.
It’s sad but kind of funny, but mostly annoying.
I had the displeasure of interacting with someone before I knew what that instance was. Someone posted that anyone who supported any democratic candidate in the US should be hit by a truck, and that they wanted to do physical harm to them. I reported it, and the mod who got the report posted my name publically in the thread and proceeded to paste some manifesto on how cops brutalized homeless people and trans people, so therefore if someone votes for a democratic senator it is justifiable to physically harm or kill that person.
I have blocked every community on the instance. It was helpful being brought up by the mod, cause I clicked on their profile and they modded 15 or so communities on their instance, so I was able to click directly on those communties and block, then click on the next one etc.
Sounds about right. Those people are fucking crazy.
Yeah they’re shitty, fucked up ‘people’
Sounds about right
I kicked the nest and my instance defederated hexbear soon after. Problem solved!
Well it probably wasn’t me that caused the defederation, but I like to pretend.
You can’t reason with people who are mentally ill.
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boneappleteeth my guy, also idc how long a tanky has been here, their opinions are useless and I don’t have any desire to hear from them
eta: in case he fixes it, “chalk full of”
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WHAT HYPHEN??? its chock full you goof
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you just replied with something describing that you used a incorrect phrasing, it’s chock full, not chalk full. Kinda like how it’s taken for granted and not taken for granite
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize this seat was taken
The age and size of an instance is completely irrelevant compared to the behaviour of its users when it comes to this particular subject.
I’m not sure there was ever any masquerade.
Eh, we’ll probably get there. It will probably take a few days ift complaining about it and the admins will probably defederate.
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Cringe
Why does everyone forget the rest of the “bad apple” metaphor?
because anyone saying that in the way to say the bad apple’s don’t ruin the bunch, are purposefully trying to get you to agree we must just accept the bad apples. 100% bad faith argument every fucking time
I made a post like this on my old instance’s main community and it got flooded by 400+ hexbear comments telling me how stupid I am. No, the only real solution is to make a new account on an instance that’s defederated. Good luck.
What instances would you recommend? I don’t really want to leave mine since I’ve been on it for awhile but if it gets too annoying I might want to
Blahaj.zone is defederated (hexbear did it first surprisingly). It’s a very LGBTQ+ oriented place so I’m not sure it’s your cup of tea
It seems like a very nice place, I’ll be sure to check it out some more
I find that interesting because i am banned from blahaj for being a conservative but hexbears swear im a white liberal. I would have thought hexbears and blahaj would get along nicely
When they call you a liberal, they’re referring to the classical meaning of the term rather than the newer definitions.
I think you’re giving them too much credit. They’re just trolling and being very annoying.
I only started trolling because of their relentless abuse. I learned they dont know how to respond if you act stupid and I found that funny
They are saying I advocate free market and laissez-faire economics, civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. Is that right? As opposed to what
I think commenter above means, as opposed to the US-american re-definition of liberal = “Democrat”, somehow. Since the Trump party is absolutist leaning, this makes sense fr them … somehow.
I find that interesting because i am banned from blahaj
No you’re not?
Sorry you are right. I only associate 196 with blahaj so me being banned there makes me not have any reason to be at blahaj. I was one of the lucky few that was given a 2 year ban. The reason was “stirring up trouble tankie style”
If you don’t want to move instances, you can probably reduce 99% of annoying Hexbear shitposts by blocking just 3 communities:
They’re by far the noisiest, in my experience.
You still get their comments when they bridgade normal posts.
Yes, that is unfortunately true.
I like lemmy.ca pretty well. I’ve just recently learned that lemmy.world is defederated, but they’re already one of the biggest instances. All I did was browse https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, sorted by usage and skipped the top few entries, and checked each instance to see if they’d defederated. I tried to go smaller than lemmy.ca but I got bored lol
I don’t understand why blocking (or “defederating”) instances is such a core part of the design of lemmy but not actually supported on a per-user basis.
It is possible on kbin and also many lemmy apps.
Connect has it.
Defederating is core to the fediverse. Lemmy just uses a shared protocol to exchange content. And as others have said, Kbin has instancr blocking, community/magazine blocking, and user blocking. You could just create an account on a Kbin instance if it’s important enough. You still get to see the same things.
Kbin has instance blocking, community/magazine blocking, and user blocking.
Kbin doesn’t have instance blocking yet, just domain blocking, which is for hiding posts that link to a particular domain. Domain blocking is also bugged right now, and will just hide random stuff from you.
I mean, if you want to get technical, none of them have any blocking really. Blocking on any fediverse is generally just the equivalent of muting/hiding.
Wasn’t aware of the bug though (as I haven’t tried the feature yet, but probably wouldn’t have a way to notice anyway).
It will be a much smaller thing once user based instance blocking is available
Lemmy maintainers admin lemmy.ml and don’t want to give users the ability to easily block it all lol
Not true, they’re actively working on it.
Yeah I think it’s about time to get that feature. As a user I have preferences that don’t necessarily match with the defederation policies of any instance and I would very much like to choose for myself which instances I want to see.
In my case: I’m not interested in polarising, divisive, toxic content and I really don’t care if it’s coming from the left or from the right. But it seems to me that I have to choose a side, because some instances are blocking the right wing extremism and some blocking the stuff to the left, but not both.
Reading subscribed communities only is not an option, because then I will miss out on new stuff. And blocking all these awful communities in “all” by hand is too much work.
tl;dr not being able to block instances as a user is giving me a bad Lemmy experience
I’m not interested in polarising, divisive, toxic content and I really don’t care if it’s coming from the left or from the right.
The extremist propaganda has mostly killed the considerable excitement I had about Lemmy.
It’s made me seen how many shortcomings Lemmy has and it’s soured me too.
I just wanted a chill place like I saw when i left Reddit on July 1st and now it’s just become almost as toxic here.
I can’t imagine people would have flocked to this site in July if this shit was happening back then.
I think it’s even more toxic here, easily. I’m still here and hopeful about the fediverse, but at this rate the clock is ticking.
Half of all is hexbear posts for me now and I don’t like those posts very much
Theres no way yet, suposedly the devs are planing to give that option in the future.
Right now im just not loging into lemmy as much as before, the ambience became way more toxic than the first 2 or 3 months i started using it, and i believe its beacause of hexbearians. Lots of bad takes (pariculary genocide apologism) have been thriving on lemmy since they refederated, whuch was ussually trashed before, so i say they are behind that. And when they have more sane takes, they screw them up by telling you to go read Mao, seriously, Mr “Best politics are the ones that come from a barrel of gun” Mao. He was a fucking thug not a great mind of comunism.
I even re-made an account on reddit ffs, and reddit fucking sucks because my comments get ignored into oblivion no mather where i comment, and its not shadowbaning i think.
So my recomendation is try going somewhere else while the option of blocking instances becomes availabe or touch some grass, although grass sucks since it doesnt fight back when asked about politics and it becomes really old very quickly.
Why not join another instance that blocks hexbear? I mean that is the advantage of Lemmy, isn’t it
Because i like shit just works and i like that it isnt that heavy on defedration with other instances, but thats probably gonna change soon since it seems we are holding votes to defederate from hexbear.
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That was the point being made, you shouldn’t have to pick one: “let me pick which instances to block instead of choosing for me before I’ve had a chance to take a close look at them”
You can block instances if you use certain apps. I know connect allows you to block instances.
There is about to be - https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3869
Thank fucking god, I can’t stand these 14 year olds.
I would love to block that trash completely. Every interaction I’ve had with any of them and their posts has just given me the impression they are just trolls and nothing else. If anyone truly thinks they are leftists, I question your definition of left. They can go and stay in their little instance and show all the bullshit and talk all the nonsense they want to.
Connect for Lemmy (Android app) has an option to block by instance. Now I see that they commented, but by default I don’t see the comment.
Also, it keeps posts from that instance completely out of All.
Which was awesome to discover as a Lemmy user who doesn’t like his front page to be mostly furry porn.
This is basically my experience. Connect and instance blocking, definitely a must have feature once you configure it.
No, they’re worse. They are true believers in their political ideology and that’s all they care about.
If an instance doesn’t want a negative reputation for doing certain things, they should prioritize not doing those certain things.
If you act like an arse, people are going to think that you’re an arse. If you want people to think that you’re pleasant, you should try acting pleasant. If someone acts like an arse but expects to be called pleasant, I would think that person is delusional. Too many people are like this, then get upset when people don’t want to deal with them.
Frankly, life is too short to deal with certain people. Why would I waste my time and happiness for a troll?
I might block the instance soon. It doesn’t seem like I would be losing much at the moment.
Yay, looks like they defederated again.
Halle-fucking-lujah!
Did they defederate or did you defederate? And why?
They defederated from us. They said abilism and racism or something. I think they didn’t like the Winnie the Pooh Xi Jinping. But also I feel like they didn’t really like people challenging their beliefs.
They defederated from us. They said abilism and racism or something
LOL this ought to go on /c/nottheonion
Really ? How do you know ?
Saw a post from !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works that had a pic of hexbears explanation post.
Well either there’s a synchronisation delay (plausible) orthey’re telling porkies according to
Probably just a delay because when accessing !announcements@hexbear.net I only see very old content.
Had a trawl through MoG (which I normally avoid like the plague because, as per post I really don’t wish to interact with tankies, even second hand) and can’t find it.
Oh well, whatevs, hope you’re right
This is the post I was taking about
Thanks for that - there’s a bug (?I assume?) in Jerboah that doesn’t allow zooming pics so that tiny font for ants was unreadable. Well hopefully they don’t delay on the implementation
I can’t find us in their blocked list, seems like they might’ve gone back on that decision.
Oh shucks…
Yeah, that’s why I feel like in the case of instances like this they should still be defederated even if they pull the trigger first because they know that they can quietly re-federate later after the whole thing dies down, which seems like what they did.
It’s not political, it’s right wing troll factories trying to stir up the real left and make socialism look bad. They’re trash.
As a left-leaning person that would be nice to believe, but I have seen young teenagers who get a taste of shitty capitalism just run to the other side of the spectrum and become ‘communists who know nothing about communism except that it’s better than capitalism’.
I think actually building a working system of governance that doesn’t concentrate corruptible levels of power in a few hands is hard, and many people lack the patience and intelligence to work out the problem. So they run to ‘easy answers’ that make them feel morally superior and offer the chance of something different (even if worse), especially when they are young and reactionary.
Its the same way some Bernie fans ran to Trump because they lacked the patience to dismantle the duopoly for real, so they hoped he’d do it somehow. We’re all feeling worse off, but at least they got to 'show the democrats, right?
I think you’re both right. I think some of it is right wing people trying to convince the people you’re talking about to abandon morality and not question the “communist” countries (which somehow they still include Russia?) no matter what they do. They don’t care about doing what’s best for workers if it’s anti-western. That’s not leftist.
Compelling concecture. I also wonder if there are really groups of people like that (i mean, how do they behave in physical, that must be sort of punks?) – or if it is part of an orchestrated disruption and possibly false flag. I read it’s only about 15 accounts to block if one wanted to get rid of the obnoxious ones.
Have any hints that back it up?
Edit: do not mind, i have read farther down. It also seems to have deviated from the original CTH community, as in “unfriendly take-over”, which was even stated by a HB account.Besides, this helped me to finally understand the confusion about the “liberal” adjective. It’s understood differently in USA, from most everywhere else. :-)
Lmao do you actually believe this?
