Expressing our dislike is not the same as the karma system. My profile does not have a score that communities will use to discriminate against me and stifle my comments because I’m not popular enough. We should be able to express our dislike without having a giant thread of arguments over it.
Exactly; the main point of karma for Reddit doesn’t apply here, and there are options in apps to just show total score.
I use downvotes for two things: the person was, needlessly, a jackass, regardless of whether they’re right, or they’re wrong in such a way that I don’t have the energy/ability to sort that out (or just trolling). I’m sure others do the same for me, and that information should be available to others.
You can change that to New and hide read comments. Or just keep scrolling and read comments as they are. Organization that can be changed is different from not even being able to comment.
Those are all good points! Certainly some of it is growing pains, but it would make for a better entry point to have a walkthrough upon signup. That could be true of apps, as well.
It’s all a balancing act, isn’t it? Between managing reputation and the increased trust/context it brings, allowing for a broader range of opinions (and more contentious ones) versus encouraging consensus within a community, and managing user expectations. How do you keep out trolls and chan-culture without encouraging fearful bean counting and a smoothening of the many bumpy opinions into what is widely perceived as acceptable?
What works for a suddenly engorged, amorphous and non-profit driven organization like Lemmy is going to be different from what Reddit can do from a top-down perspective. I’ve always held paid actors to a higher standard than unpaid ones, so I’m willing to rely more on my own internal sorting of value. Everyone has experienced a time where they or someone else made a good point that was ignored in favor of the popular person’s more mundane one, and I think that that’s just a part of humanity that you can’t kick out without establishing some sort of external arbiter.
I don’t know the answer to it, just that a simpler system that one disagrees with is easier to navigate than one that’s more complex.
That is entirely dependent on what app you’re using. I can’t say for sure what the web browser looks like cause it never lets me log in. And it was made pretty clear that the “points” mean nothing, they are simply a byproduct of people wanting express their like or dislike and have no effect on your experience on Lemmy. Karma absolutely changed your Reddit experience.
Karma was more than just how many points your post or comment got, it was a system that was used against users and was meant to stifle discourse in the name of popularity. Being able to sort a post by highest voted comments is an option, but that does not come close to being a karma system. It’s a small similarity. I feel like of all the things to not like about Lemmy, upvotes is pretty small beans.
Expressing our dislike is not the same as the karma system. My profile does not have a score that communities will use to discriminate against me and stifle my comments because I’m not popular enough. We should be able to express our dislike without having a giant thread of arguments over it.
Exactly; the main point of karma for Reddit doesn’t apply here, and there are options in apps to just show total score.
I use downvotes for two things: the person was, needlessly, a jackass, regardless of whether they’re right, or they’re wrong in such a way that I don’t have the energy/ability to sort that out (or just trolling). I’m sure others do the same for me, and that information should be available to others.
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You can change that to New and hide read comments. Or just keep scrolling and read comments as they are. Organization that can be changed is different from not even being able to comment.
Yeah, it’s not like there are many comments on Lemmy anyways.
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Besides sorting by age or number of replies, how else would you sort comments, and is that any better than using user generated scores?
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Those are all good points! Certainly some of it is growing pains, but it would make for a better entry point to have a walkthrough upon signup. That could be true of apps, as well.
It’s all a balancing act, isn’t it? Between managing reputation and the increased trust/context it brings, allowing for a broader range of opinions (and more contentious ones) versus encouraging consensus within a community, and managing user expectations. How do you keep out trolls and chan-culture without encouraging fearful bean counting and a smoothening of the many bumpy opinions into what is widely perceived as acceptable?
What works for a suddenly engorged, amorphous and non-profit driven organization like Lemmy is going to be different from what Reddit can do from a top-down perspective. I’ve always held paid actors to a higher standard than unpaid ones, so I’m willing to rely more on my own internal sorting of value. Everyone has experienced a time where they or someone else made a good point that was ignored in favor of the popular person’s more mundane one, and I think that that’s just a part of humanity that you can’t kick out without establishing some sort of external arbiter.
I don’t know the answer to it, just that a simpler system that one disagrees with is easier to navigate than one that’s more complex.
That is entirely dependent on what app you’re using. I can’t say for sure what the web browser looks like cause it never lets me log in. And it was made pretty clear that the “points” mean nothing, they are simply a byproduct of people wanting express their like or dislike and have no effect on your experience on Lemmy. Karma absolutely changed your Reddit experience.
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Comments are sorted however you want them to be.
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Karma was more than just how many points your post or comment got, it was a system that was used against users and was meant to stifle discourse in the name of popularity. Being able to sort a post by highest voted comments is an option, but that does not come close to being a karma system. It’s a small similarity. I feel like of all the things to not like about Lemmy, upvotes is pretty small beans.
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How do the points have any affect on your ability to do anything on Lemmy?
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Exactly what do you mean by that? You aren’t explaining anything.