Their policy on arms exports reads like an ambiguously phrased expression of misguided pacifism. They argue for negotiation and diplomacy, which isn’t itself a bad idea, but it requires forcing Putin to the negotiation table in the first place.
Given they also condemn Putin’s aggression, I don’t think they’re his friends, just naive when it comes to the reality of dealing with an autocratic imperialist whose legitimacy as ruler is founded in his appearance of strength.
they might not be controlled by Putin, but they might as well be. this only means that they’re having positions favorable to Putin voluntarily and out of conviction.
whatever their motive might be, in the end it amounts to the same thing that BSW and AfD want as well.
No, that’s not what I said. I don’t agree with their foreign policy, that being not wanting to give weapons to Ukraine or other countries, but their social policy is very progressive. Labeling them the effectively the same as BSW and AfD is just wrong.
I didn’t say they were Nazis, though I think you could certainly make some snide comments on their pacifist hand-wringing being functionally indistinguishable from isolationism or, dare I say, nationalism in the end.
I said they were Putin’s barking, cowardly lapdogs who even if they won a majority and got what they wanted domestically would just get their shit kicked in as Putin finishes his repeatedly stated irredentist goal of reconquering the Soviet/Imperial territories.
Which includes parts of Germany.
Their foreign policy gives democratic socialism a bad name, period. Socialists that won’t fight fascism tooth and claw wherever it tries to spread deserve to fail.
Other than doing what Putin wants them to do.
Their policy on arms exports reads like an ambiguously phrased expression of misguided pacifism. They argue for negotiation and diplomacy, which isn’t itself a bad idea, but it requires forcing Putin to the negotiation table in the first place.
Given they also condemn Putin’s aggression, I don’t think they’re his friends, just naive when it comes to the reality of dealing with an autocratic imperialist whose legitimacy as ruler is founded in his appearance of strength.
When an entire group of political creatures act like they don’t understand basic human nature, it’s because they’re manipulating you.
They know. It’s their job to know. They keep their jobs by knowing.
Especially when it’s “socialists” acting like they don’t understand the goals of fascists.
[citation needed]
I think Putin wants all if these too
You want a citation for Putin not wanting weapons shipped to Ukraine?
For disarming Europe in general?
For them bringing in Russia into a European defense pact (fucking uberlol)
For cutting Turkey out of their defense alliances?
Okay bud, here you go:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War
🤡
Yeah their Außenpolitik sucks, but they aren’t paid or controlled Putin freaks, that’s the AfD and the BSW.
they might not be controlled by Putin, but they might as well be. this only means that they’re having positions favorable to Putin voluntarily and out of conviction.
whatever their motive might be, in the end it amounts to the same thing that BSW and AfD want as well.
“They just do everything in terms of foreign policy that Putin wants them to do, but that doesn’t mean they do what the foreign dictator Putin wants?”
Do you hear yourself?
No, that’s not what I said. I don’t agree with their foreign policy, that being not wanting to give weapons to Ukraine or other countries, but their social policy is very progressive. Labeling them the effectively the same as BSW and AfD is just wrong.
I didn’t say they were Nazis, though I think you could certainly make some snide comments on their pacifist hand-wringing being functionally indistinguishable from isolationism or, dare I say, nationalism in the end.
I said they were Putin’s barking, cowardly lapdogs who even if they won a majority and got what they wanted domestically would just get their shit kicked in as Putin finishes his repeatedly stated irredentist goal of reconquering the Soviet/Imperial territories.
Which includes parts of Germany.
Their foreign policy gives democratic socialism a bad name, period. Socialists that won’t fight fascism tooth and claw wherever it tries to spread deserve to fail.
No. Leftists are the most consistent against Putin. All parties have their co-opting agents, but the ratio and overall long term goals is what matters
This shouldn’t be needed to be repeated, we’re in a leftist social platform after all