I fled Reddit due to the authoritarian mod craziness, but Lemmy.world seems infested with too much Communist craziness. I’m leftist, but communism is idiocy. Is there an instance that leans more democratic socialist but refrains from going off the deep end?

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    6 hours ago

    And your source is you made it the fuck up?

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      6 hours ago

      I don’t really know what you mean, here. Do you think we can use the same methods of small, communal tribes as organization with mass manufacturing and complex supply chains? I would argue that society changed the methods of organization to better fit the level of technological process, and not out of any individual will.

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        5 hours ago

        You’re parroting some racist ass noble savage bullshit right now. Tribal societies weren’t communist because they were too dumb to create advanced societies. They were communist because they were smart enough to pick the most efficient economic system in the harshest conditions. It wasn’t an accident, it was the result of millennia of hard work and careful thought. This work is universally applicable. You just don’t want to listen to brown people telling you how to run an economy.

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          No, that’s not my point. My point is that at the level of technological development of tribal societies, they correctly picked the most efficient organizational structures for their conditions. They were not uniquely gifted nor uniquely dumb, but real humans with human organization. Societies like the Aztecs began a form of production similar to Feudalism when that became more efficient, and it is likely that when they discovered technologies like steam engines they would have transitioned towards a form of society similar to Capitalism.

          Humans organize in manners most efficient for their conditions, it isn’t about who discovers the best form of society but which form of society best suits the conditions of the land and level of productive forces.

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            Humans organize in manners most efficient for their conditions

            That’s ridiculous. Communism is way more efficient for our current level of development than capitalism, yet we’re doing capitalism. I don’t want to hear you argue capitalism is most efficient in the 21st century, it’s not. We’ve got homelessness, poverty, climate change, genocide, planned obsolescence… Capitalism stinks. Quit defending it.

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              Capitalism is declining, that much is obvious. You yourself said tribal societies took tens of thousands of years to find good organizational methods, whereas Capitalism has only been around for a few hundred. It is in the process of dying, and already Socialism is cropping up in other countries as a response to that decay.

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                5 hours ago

                Instead of fumbling around in the dark with only two centuries of failed attempts, you should learn from the millennia of success that has already been achieved.

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                  4 hours ago

                  Are you trying to revert to a hunter-gatherer society without depending on billions of people dying? I don’t think that’s progress, personally. I’d rather try to focus on the centuries of real success Marxists have achieved in the modern era over Capitalist systems, and progress forward. If you want Anarchism, why not look to the Zapatistas?

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                    Why is it you think we have to abandon all our modern technology in order to invent the technology of communism?

                    If I told you the Romans had really good concrete and we should recreate the recipe, would you argue that we can’t make Roman concrete because it would require switching our guns for gladii and our tractors for oxen? That’s ridiculous.