You have literally witnessed a real genocide for the past 2 years live on TikTok, with multiple daily updates on bombings, murders, and children assassinations. How come there’s not ONE picture of whatever other “genocide” you’re trying to construe leftists deny?
China is the subject matter expert on censorship and media control, they probably wrote the book on it. Israel by comparison is both new at it and, honestly, I don’t think they cared to hide it that much. China in all likelihood has very good (well good for them anyways…) reasons to do everything it can to keep a tight lid on it
People on China have widespread and non-prosecuted access to VPNs. This is common knowledge. Media is irrelevant, a single photograph from a mobile phone leaked on the internet would be enough to make New York Times cover. The fact that this hasn’t happened proves enough.
There isn’t evidence of genocide in China. You can possibly make an argument for police state, but the genocide thing is so thoroughly debunked even wikipedia had to change the article title to “persecution” last year. If you want to have a serious, evidence-based conversation about this instead of the usual ear-shutting and namecalling, I’m fully willing.
In 2014, the Chinese government announced a “people’s war on terror”. Since then, Uyghurs in Xinjiang have been affected by extensive controls and restrictions which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Chinese government has imposed upon their religious, cultural, economic and social lives. In order to forcibly assimilate them, the government has arbitrarily detained more than an estimated one million Uyghurs in internment camps. Human Rights Watch says that the camps have been used to indoctrinate Uyghurs and other Muslims since 2017.
Leaked Chinese government operating procedures state that the main feature of the camps is to ensure adherence to CCP ideology, with the inmates being continuously held captive in the camps for a minimum of 12 months depending on their performance on Chinese ideology tests. The New York Times has reported inmates are required to “sing hymns praising the Chinese Communist Party and write ‘self-criticism’ essays,” and that prisoners are also subjected to physical and verbal abuse by prison guards. Chinese officials have sometimes assigned to monitor the families of current inmates, and women have been detained due to actions by their sons or husbands.
Other policies have included forced labor, suppression of Uyghur religious practices, political indoctrination, severe ill-treatment, forced sterilization, forced contraception, and forced abortion. According to German researcher Adrian Zenz, hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools. The Australian Strategic Policy Institute estimates that some sixteen thousand mosques have been razed or damaged since 2017. Associated Press reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%, compared to a decrease by 9.69% in the whole country. The allegation of Uyghur birth rates being lower than those of Han Chinese have been disputed by pundits from Pakistan Observer, Antara, and Detik.com.
The policies have drawn widespread condemnation, with some characterizing them as a genocide. In an assessment by the UN Human Rights Office, the United Nations (UN) stated that China’s policies and actions in the Xinjiang region may be crimes against humanity, although it did not use the term genocide. The United States and legislatures in several countries have described the policies as a genocide. The Chinese government denies having committed human rights abuses in Xinjiang.
Ok, so we can’t yet use “genocide”, we just have to say that China is commiting crimes against humanity on them
Leaked Chinese government operating procedures state that the main feature of the camps is to ensure adherence to CCP ideology, with the inmates being continuously held captive in the camps for a minimum of 12 months depending on their performance on Chinese ideology tests. The New York Times has reported inmates are required to “sing hymns praising the Chinese Communist Party and write ‘self-criticism’ essays,” and that prisoners are also subjected to physical and verbal abuse by prison guards. Chinese officials have sometimes assigned to monitor the families of current inmates, and women have been detained due to actions by their sons or husbands.
Yeah, like this one dude who keeps pushing this weird political agenda against Marxists as the world slips into fascism because he doesn’t understand the concept of prioritization.
I’m not against socialism/communism, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’d be happy to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime.
Just not replacing it with just another flavor of authoritarianism, which is what the Tankies push which is what the current regimes of China and Russia are
marx was not a statist, leftism is about the destruction of heirachy, just because some idiots think they will be the king to control their pawns doesnt mean that is what the political theory suggests.
LMAO, nobody’s been denying what’s happening there, most of us have been saying that Trump would be, at the time pre election, far far far worse for Palestine and very bad news for everyone. And has simply been proven since.
Exactly what we’ve been saying is coming to pass, but a VotE fOr HaRRis iS a VotE foR geNoCiDe amiright?
You can block them, so you don’t have to see their posts (or their comments, some apps allow you to block the comments as well iirc). Or you can move to an instance that chose to defederate with them.
Man, you can lock the whole instance for yourself, you don’t have to make the decision for everyone.
Blocking doesn’t solve the problem of the misinformation, Russian/Chinese propaganda, genocide denialism and human rights abuse denials they push
And also, I’m not making a decision for anyone
You have literally witnessed a real genocide for the past 2 years live on TikTok, with multiple daily updates on bombings, murders, and children assassinations. How come there’s not ONE picture of whatever other “genocide” you’re trying to construe leftists deny?
China is the subject matter expert on censorship and media control, they probably wrote the book on it. Israel by comparison is both new at it and, honestly, I don’t think they cared to hide it that much. China in all likelihood has very good (well good for them anyways…) reasons to do everything it can to keep a tight lid on it
Walter Lippmann and Edward Bernays (and Herman & Chomsky) literally wrote the books on it.
People on China have widespread and non-prosecuted access to VPNs. This is common knowledge. Media is irrelevant, a single photograph from a mobile phone leaked on the internet would be enough to make New York Times cover. The fact that this hasn’t happened proves enough.
There isn’t evidence of genocide in China. You can possibly make an argument for police state, but the genocide thing is so thoroughly debunked even wikipedia had to change the article title to “persecution” last year. If you want to have a serious, evidence-based conversation about this instead of the usual ear-shutting and namecalling, I’m fully willing.
Ok, so we can’t yet use “genocide”, we just have to say that China is commiting crimes against humanity on them
That’s some Grade A dystopian shit right there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs
Yeah, like this one dude who keeps pushing this weird political agenda against Marxists as the world slips into fascism because he doesn’t understand the concept of prioritization.
Because tankies are just facists in red~
Tankies and facists do genocide, and two thinga can be bad at the same time! Imagine that!
A whole crusade just so Breitbart articles can get posted comfortably with only gentle downvotes as pushback.
I’m not against socialism/communism, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’d be happy to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime.
Just not replacing it with just another flavor of authoritarianism, which is what the Tankies push which is what the current regimes of China and Russia are
marx was not a statist, leftism is about the destruction of heirachy, just because some idiots think they will be the king to control their pawns doesnt mean that is what the political theory suggests.
did you like… read it? by statist I assume you mean in favor of a state?
marx understood the nessesity of the state, but the end goal is a stateless society
It’s a good thing .world doesn’t deny any major contemporary genocides or carry water for the party that started it… [rolls eyes so hard I die]
would love to hear specifics??
You neolibs have almost mastered the art of gaslighting as much as the Trump chuds. Congrats!
Asks to hear specifics
You: THATS GASLIGHTING!
what‽
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LMAO, nobody’s been denying what’s happening there, most of us have been saying that Trump would be, at the time pre election, far far far worse for Palestine and very bad news for everyone. And has simply been proven since.
Exactly what we’ve been saying is coming to pass, but a VotE fOr HaRRis iS a VotE foR geNoCiDe amiright?
ok it is palestine related, i really havent seen any zionists on lemmy, let alone .world specifically.
edit: also the dnc arnt left wing so idk how i can really be lumped in with them, also because im not from the US, but i guess you chuds are
edit2: says theyre leftwing uses abelist slur
Care to elaborate?
You can block them, so you don’t have to see their posts (or their comments, some apps allow you to block the comments as well iirc). Or you can move to an instance that chose to defederate with them.