• archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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    6 hours ago

    They could have defended the lives of Palestinians and acknowledged that the genocide was happening.

    It was Biden’s press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those “other voters” that Israel wasn’t doing anything wrong. They drew that line themselves, not anyone who was protesting the genocide.

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      It was Biden’s press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those “other voters” that Israel wasn’t doing anything wrong.

      How short is your memory?

      Biden expressed disapproval multiple times.

      https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-3591fb5f82b22cf8e5d1060fccaef115

      https://www.axios.com/2024/10/17/biden-netanyahu-sinwar-gaza-war

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/13/biden-speaks-with-israels-netanyahu-urges-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza

      Whether intentional or not, you are spreading misinformation. The same kind that got Trump and Musk into the Oval Office. And people are upvoting you. Congrats.

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        3 hours ago

        Biden tells Netanyahu it’s time to end Gaza war

        This one is kinda funny to me because people interpret trump saying nearly the same words is evidence of his genocidal intent.

        But none of those ‘statements of disapproval’ conveys the severity of their literal fucking war crimes and genocide, which would be a minimum (I would think) to convince a skeptical zionist voter that maybe some intervention is justified. Not to mention that Harris repeatedly refused to commit to withholding lethal aid every time she was asked during her candidacy.

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          There’s no reality in which the U.S. was going to seriously jeopardize its relationship with our closest ally in the middle east.

          Americans had two options:

          A side that expressed disapproval of Israel’s actions and floated stopping arms shipments, which Biden floated.

          Or

          A side with a guy who literally said Israel should finish the job and is now saying he wants to turn Gaza into a vacation destination.

          I’ll let you do the math.

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      4 hours ago

      And this is how trump got elected. Have some self awareness and knowledge of game theory.

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        3 hours ago

        seems like the game theory applied didn’t seem to work very well, maybe it’s not our priors that need updating…::

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        4 hours ago

        Why do you criticize regular people about game theory and not the actual people crafting the strategy to win an election?

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          3 hours ago

          Because regular adults should be responsible enough to see through blatant manipulation by blatantly bad actors. And if they can’t, that’s no one else’s fault but their own.

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            2 hours ago

            That’s not an answer to why you hold regular people to account for their actions but not the politicians and strategists actually running the campaign.

            Also it wasn’t “manipulation”. The genocide actually happened.

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              That’s not an answer to why you hold regular people to account for their actions but not the politicians and strategists actually running the campaign.

              1. I do hold the politicians and strategists accountable. Why would you imply that I don’t, when I never said that? I simply called out regular people for also being responsible and, in my opinion, more responsible.

              2. Because there’s way more regular people than politicians and strategists and those regular people gave those politicians and strategists power by falling for their blatant manipulation by refusing to do their due diligence as citizens in a democracy and informing themselves responsibly.

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                8 minutes ago

                You literally entered a comment thread to reply to a post where that was the only question and now you’re confused it’s being asked?

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        3 hours ago

        He’s literally spreading misinformation and I posted links to prove it.

        And he’s being upvoted and you’re being downvoted. Which makes your comment even more poignant. Fucking internet man. Humans simply weren’t ready for it.