• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    How did any progressives get elected if our primaries are unfair?

    They got elected despite the party’s interference.

    How do progressives win against the GOP when they don’t play fair?

    The GOP doesn’t control national elections like the DNC/DCCC/DSCC controls primaries.

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      9 hours ago

      Multiple progressives lost their primaries recently and blame AIPAC funding. Criticizing democrats for catering to donors. While losing to democrats because they catered to donors.

      All while claiming they can win elections better than democrats.

      The GOP will also be catering to donors.

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            6 hours ago

            Progressives will continue to lose until they give up their morals and descend into the muck of incompetence and greed like us fine fellows, and take the big money dick that is being offered. You’d be stupid to try any other way of winning.

            I am very smart.

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              4 hours ago

              Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.

              ‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’

              ‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’

              ‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’

              ‘We are very smart’

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                If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism? Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?

                You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.

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            8 hours ago

            Clearly the solution is just to sell out as hard as possible since there’s no other way to win.

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              8 hours ago

              I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.

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                8 hours ago

                I’m saying what wins/loses.

                Well, it’s a good thing we ran so fucking far to the right, then. Can you imagine if Harris had listened to progressives? She might have lost the primary we didn’t fucking have.

                She lost to Trump because she did what you wanted. Don’t worry. The party will never fucking change.

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                  7 hours ago

                  Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.

                  How many elections have progressives won?

                  There were a lot of black/female/indian democrat voters offended that anyone would even consider a primary instead of going with Vice President Harris. All those votes would’ve been lost.

                  She lost to Trump because that’s what China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted. Whether intentional or not you’re just helping them out by scapegoating the DNC.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.

                    It’s still the 90s, huh?

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        9 hours ago

        I was talking about the way the party runs (or eschews) its primaries. You pivoted to international donors.

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            8 hours ago

            This is what you initially responded to:

            This implies a fair primary process.

            You’re putting words in my mouth in order to change the subject to one you’re more comfortable with. In this case, the subject you’re more comfortable with is gloating that AIPAC bought you some pro-genocide primary challengers.

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              8 hours ago

              If progressives know how to win elections better than the DNC then why don’t they just win enough elections to control the DNC?

              This is my comment that preceded your quote.

              The subject is: “why do progressives think they know how to win elections better than the DNC if they have never done so?”

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                8 hours ago

                The subject is: “why do progressives think they know how to win elections better than the DNC if they have never done so?”

                To which I provided an explanation. They cannot win elections that the party makes certain they can’t run in. Now enjoy the results of the party’s recalcitrance.

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                  4 hours ago

                  If they don’t know how to win elections in the face of opposition, then they shouldn’t be giving advice on how to win elections.

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                    3 hours ago

                    Which applies to the party that lost to trump twice as well. In addition, the general election doesn’t have the party putting its thumb on the scale like the primaries do. If the party deigns to have primaries at all.