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If you buy heat pumps for the house, and make the electricity with gas, about half the energy making the electricity is lost, but when the heat pump heats the house, it’s 5 times more efficient.
So the net result is that it requires less than half the gas to heat the house with heat pumps, even if the electricity is made with gas.Heat pumps are brilliant. 🥰
Better yet I live in an area where wind supplies most of the energy for my heat bump.
It doesn’t matter how the electricity is made. Heat pumps are crazy efficient. What matters (for the typical consumer) is how much it costs to heat up the home via traditional methods vs that in the electricity of heat pumps. That said, your toaster, or electric oven/kettle all generate heat at ~98% efficiency with some energy lost as light and due to resistance in the wires. A heat pump transfers heat at well over 100% efficiency. You get more heat energy than it requires in electricity. 💪
Efficiency degrades the colder it gets though which is its only drawback. Some places are too cold and would require deep deep monster backyard installations to work well, but here ‘too cold’ is ~ -16oC.
A side benefit of heat pumps using electricity is that it can be supported with modern green energy tech. Don’t want to be dependent on the grid either electrical or gas? Add solar panels to your roof and boom you’re good to go (this is obviously reductive).
Edit: I’m talking about direct home heating/cooling solutions. I know nothing about industrial grid energy production. For me the benefits of heat pumps are clear particularly for individual purposes.
Resistive heat is 100% efficient minus the tiny bit of heat lost in the wires inside your walls. The light will eventually convert to thermal enegry once it is absorbed.
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First time I hear about that. What environment effect could that have?
The cool thing about heat pumps are, you already have one. It’s an AC with a reverser valve. Instead of having the cold inside the house and the hot outside, the AC can reverse in winter put the hot inside the house and the cold outside. When your current AC breaks, buy one with a reverser valve, buy a heat pump. They are damn nice.
Edit: The article is apparently talking about geothermal heat. Which is not normally how the term ‘heat pump’ is used. Seems to be why there is so much confusion in this thread, including from my reply. Anyway, I haven’t heard much negative about geothermal heat in the past. I think it’s normally not used just because of the up-front investment costs.
Aside from the fact that these are geothermal.
IDK how it is in Austria, but AC is generally much less widespread in Europe than it is in USA.
Probably because we normally don’t have heat waves like the American south, and electricity is heavily taxed.
But to be fair heat waves have gotten worse due to climate change, so AC is becoming more common than it used to be.
Less reliance on fossil fuels while making use of efficient heating / cooling systems, which in the long run will reduce emissions.
I know about that. However, the main reason for reducing emission is to reduce the influence of Russia and China, not the environment. But I mean that the technology is similar to fracking for gas (apparently bad), and fracking for hot water is good?
The technology for heatpumps doesn’t involve fracking. You can have air-source heatpumps, which involve 0 drilling.
Are you thinking of geothermal?
The heat source is geothermal boreholes.
From the article: “After reaching the reservoir with deep-drilling techniques developed for fracking, the companies intend to use the boiling water to power enormous heat pumps, delivering hot water to the surface and onwards to 20,000 homes in Vienna.”
the main reason for reducing emission is to reduce the influence of Russia and China
Do you mean reducing gas usage? All people I’ve talked to want emissions reduced to benefit the environment, not reduce the influence of Russia / China.
the technology is similar to fracking for gas
(I’m not going to be using the correct terminology) There’s multiple types of heat pumps that operate by transferring the heat via the ground, air or water source. These are air and (closed) ground types
Whereas this is an (open) ground type
The environmental effect of closed types is during manufacturing and what the electricity is sourced from (solar, coal etc).
For fracking what happens is water is injected into the ground in an attempt to extract gas (very simplified explanation), the resulting water and gas can then make its way into local water sources which will effect the local population. An open heat pump system works by taking the water from ground water tables, using the water for heating / cooling and putting that water back into the ground, and due to the large size of these water sources, the average temperature doesn’t really change (lighting a fire outside doesn’t increase the temperature for your neighbour).
I had heard about those pumps, but the article is talking about something else.
As for Russia and China. That’s like saying that banning Huawei and TikTok is because the government care so much about privacy and has nothing to do with losing in business competition.
Gas and fossil fuel is also not about the environmental. American and Canadian companies *also do horrendous things to the environment. It’s about stopping the competition from developing with cheap energy.
Gas and fossil fuel is also not about the environmental
This is starting to sound like trolling. At this point if you still have a bug up your ass about Geothermal/Heat Pump power generation I’m asking you to cite sources for your claims and avoid the nonsense tu quoques.
Drilling holes for geothermal heating is not in any way like fracking.
The transport of thermal heat for the heat pumps is a closed system, and does zero harm to the environment.
At least that’s how it usually works.But in this case they do.
