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"Fascist raids by law enforcement should be met with:
I don’t know.
I can’t help.
I do not know anybody’s legal status.
I have no idea who is an immigrant.
White folks are used to being polite and accommodating to cops.
Do not fall into your old ways.
For once, your silence will not be violence. STFU if the cops come looking for your neighbours. No matter how friendly.
Fascism only works if we go along with it. Fascism only works if we surrender to it.
Resist.
Do not say a word about your neighbours. As far as the cops are concerned you’re a recluse who doesn’t talk to anybody where you live."
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The problems is that there are many people who, even when they themselves are generally powerless and under somebody’s boot, positively relish the opportunity to feel superior to somebody else by helping press the boot on them.
Sadly, some of the oppressed are only meek or nice out of fear because of where they are in their power structure they’e in and when they get or are given the power to do so without consequences, turn into evil oppressors.
Right. This is a call for people who haven’t already made that choice, to make it. Now.
Since generally there are at least a few assholes around who will totally enjoy the “power” of fucking somebody else’s life and often the assholes don’t even behave like assholes in every day life (because they usually don’t have the power to be assholes with impunity) so one might not even be aware of their low moral characters, merelly a “if you this to not get involved you won’t be helping the Fascists” line of advice is not enough.
There has to be something beyond that, at the very least so that wannabe assholes fear being spotted and suffering reprisals if they do act like assholes, which if you want to make it as above the Law as possible (rather than merelly “I know which car you drive and it would be a shame if it got damaged overnight”) does require some form of involving the community to create a perception that those who rat will get into trouble with the rest.
The problem is not simply solved or even significantly so with a mere “don’t tell the pigs anything” (i.e. “Do No Evil”), even though those who act thus do gain the moral high ground by acting like that.
I’m sorry that I myself am not really offering a concrete solution, and my contribution is just pointing out that a Passive-Aggressive approach won’t really do much more than slightly delay the Fascists and their dogs.
Poor Bernard
The only proper response to a door knock is “come back with a warrant”.
Rights are rights for a reason, don’t let that shit erode any further.
Start playing “come out ye black and tans”
That’s a song about people standing up for their rights and for those of others, doesn’t really apply to the US, let’s be honest
Most will be sitting on their pile of guns, quivering with fear
That is fine while you have the rule of law and independent institutions to enforce those rights. When those institutions are eroded or facing the barrel of a gun then people’s rights might as well he written on toilet paper.
You can’t make up for a dysfunctional political system with demands for fictional rights.
People from one particular notable country always get the emphasis wrong in my opinion. Perhaps they are all brainwashed. They think the rights uphold their system when in truth it is the system that upholds the rights. It has kept them blind to the reforms needed to breathe life into a system that barely qualifies as a democracy by modern standards.
They think the rights uphold their system when in truth it is the system that upholds the rights.
Totally stealing this.
The only proper response to a door knock is to not open the door.
If the fascist pigs have a warrant, they’ll find their own way inside anyway. Otherwise, they can stay the fuck out.
Sorry to disappoint, but
they’ll find their own way inside anyway.
Warrant or not.
I’d also like to take this moment to remind how to handle a police interaction in the USA, in a one minute video described by a few lawyers: STFU Friday!
I grew up in a small town on the border when the border patrol would ask us if we had seen any aliens we would always just look up and say I think I saw one flying around up there
This is the way.
the only illegal immigrant I know is elon musk
Hard disagree.
Tell them you know where to find lots of heavily armed illegals up to no good, and give them the names and addresses of any Maga friends and family members you know.
Maybe lie that their last names are Sanchez or Ramirez. Waste their time and energy. If they come back, just shrug and say you thought your racist Mom/dad/uncle/supervisor was an illegal but thanks for investigating.
“I don’t know, but people are telling me they’re named Sanchez” but don’t do the Trump voice.
Richard Sanchez. Saw him with a minor, doing dodgy stuff. Maybe stealing, or attempting to steal something. Heavily drunk.
This is terrible legal advice, do not do this.
If you stonewall during an actual questioning with local police they can treat you as a hostile witness, or even attempt to charge you with aiding and abetting or impeding an investigation. It probably won’t stick, but you’re still not going to have a great time. As they say, you can beat the charge, but you can’t beat the ride.
If you are officially being questioned be polite, keep an even tone and demeanor and state " I would really love to help you in your investigation, but I would like to speak to my lawyer first." If they press you afterwards just keep repeating that you would really like to help, but to do so you require legal representation. That way if anyone can be accused of slowing down an investigation it’s the police, and it’s because they are wasting time denying you your rights.
Do not make statements to the police without a lawyer present, even if it’s something as small as “I don’t know”. More than likely if it’s for immigration, these will be federal officers. If you lie to a federal officer, you will be charged with a felony.
I’ll take the 5th
So when they say “ok, call your lawyer” then what?
I don’t have a criminal defense attorney’s number memorized, nor have I ever engaged one. Do I just web search and pick the one in my area? Are they going to show up?
That’s not entirely the proper response.
I hate that I’ve already posted the video twice so I’m not going to do it again because I don’t want to get marked for spam lol, but check my comment history if you got a minute to see a few lawyers describe what to do.
In essence though, if it’s a door knock don’t even answer it. There’s nothing good on the other side of that door, and in that scenario there are only two options for them: either they can get a warrant, in which case they’re coming in anyway with or without your consent so it doesn’t even matter, or if they don’t have one (far more likely) then they can go pound sand for all I care. If I’m not legally obligated to answer that door then I’m not going to.
If it’s a traffic stop, it’s a simple amount of phrasing but amounts that are very important to say to exercise your rights. If being asked questions unrelated to the quoted traffic violation, a simple “I’m not discussing my day”. If they continue asking questions, ask “Am I being detained or am I free to go”. This forces them to either only engage in the stop as needed or, if they do detain, at this point the mystery is now gone and they have to handle things by the book: meaning you are informed that you are being detained, it is for xyz reason of belief, then at this point you can state that you “invoke the fifth” (must be said, but you have the right to not answer questions and not self-incriminate), and then you STFU. If said detainment was ever escalated from there to the point of being thrown in the back of the squad car, it’s at this point that you could then request an attorney at the station and IIRC they must provide one. It will likely be an overworked public defendant attorney, but to answer the question there you go.
TLDR Don’t be the soverign citizen immediately starting with “I want a lawyer am I detained am I free to go” as soon as they walk up to the window, but know your rights and when to execute them in order. These rights apply to all people in America by the way, not just citizens, so keep that in mind and don’t let feds try to scare you into thinking you don’t have these kinds of rights. You do.
(I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice from a lawyer, just a local dumbass on the internet, but this is to my knowledge factual information.)
This right here. Remember, every day is STFU Friday.
Depends on your jurisdiction. What’s supposed to happen is any questions stop, they may let you reschedule at a later date with your attorney, or they may hold you for arraignment. Usually they will have a list of defense attorneys, or your county may have a defense attorneys hotline, or at least a yellow book. But it entirely depends on where you are.
If you are booked in a location that doesn’t have any information available. I would suggest calling a friend or family member to contact an attorney for you.
You may choose to say, “I would really love to help you in your investigation, but I would like to speak to my lawyer first.” I would choose to say, “Fuck off fucking fascist.” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As far as the cops are concerned you’re a recluse who doesn’t talk to anybody where you live.
Oh shit, did they get my internet search history ? how do they know so much about me.
For once, your silence will not be violence.
Make no mistake your silence WILL be met with violence.
Make no mistake your silence WILL be met with violence.
And if they are asking you you can bet your ass you are under suspicion of dissent.
There is no safety under a totalitarian government. And guess what? Party members are at risk too! It’s a brilliant system.
Not toeing the line? Purged. Toeing the line too much to make a superior look worse? Purged. Wrong joke to the wrong person? Purged. Using a slightly outdated line of propaganda? Definitely purged. Keeping your trap shut and shaking your head? Believe it or not, purged, because you didn’t help them.
It’s super fucked, and I’m anything but sorry for people who payed so little attention to every goddamn history class ever to not know this.
Nazi Germany saw 21,900,000 people killed by policy, and that number doesn’t include civilian collateral damage from the war.
MAGA is a death cult. Plain and simple.
Then take one for the team.
The violence that would be given to a lawful, rights bearing, legitimate citizen with full rights and privileges will pale in comparison to the violence that will be done to someone who doesn’t have all those privileges.
If something is done to a lawful citizen, then they can have some kind of recourse to do something about it. Someone who doesn’t have the same rights will have little or no choice to do anything about the violence done to them.
Once you give in to any kind of violence … the violence only becomes worse for everyone.
It’s like part of me wants to follow MLK’s way of doing things but then 5 minutes later it’s “welp. Guess we’re doing it Malcom X’s way instead.” Then I have to sit there and remind myself that violence only begets violence and sooner or later history will look back and say “nobody remembers why the fighting started, just that it did and that it’s been going ever since.”
I’m currently watching DS9 and Enterprise is next on my list … Star Trek definitely gives one a perspective of humanity that is much needed.
TFW you realize you’re in the Mirror Universe.
TFW you realize that even if we’re in the Prime Universe, we’re living through the Bell Riots and WWIII is right around the corner.
I wasn’t suggesting you capitulate.
You think you have rights until there’s a gun in your face, that’s the whole point, you get it worse if you don’t capitulate because standing up to them is the biggest most unforgivable crime there is.
Eh, I’ve had guns in my face before.
I’d rather do what’s right than lick boots because of some twerps with guns.
I legitimately don’t know the legal status of many of my friends. I know some of them are going through the immigration process, but have no idea of their current status.
At the end of the day, I’m not lying to an officer when I say I don’t know. I’m not an immigration official. I don’t ask to see my friends’ green cards when we hang out.
I would rather live with being in jail on bullshit charges than thinking I might have helped ruin the lives of people I care about. But I also recognize that I’m in a privileged position to do that. I already own my house, I have skills and knowledge in a trade, and can easily start a small business to support myself and my family if no one will hire me.
Do what you think is right for you. But if you rat out people you care about just because some dipshit waved a gun in your face, you’re a coward.
Then take one for the team.
Very easy to go on an internet message board and beat your chest and say you won’t break.
Very difficult to take an actual beating.
Once you give in to any kind of violence … the violence only becomes worse for everyone.
“I won’t break under torture” is a sentiment held briefly by untold numbers of torture victims.
I’m Indigenous Canadian and I’ve had my share of dealing with law enforcement for minor stuff. I never did anything wrong, I just had to stand my ground and even when I did, I still faced difficulty and it took allies around me to make it easier. The point is, it’s easier to fight and challenge now when the violence and provocation is minimal.
You are right, I would probably be a wuss as much as anyone else under torture … which is why I would rather fight and challenge now, rather than wait until things get much worse and I have to break under more extreme conditions.
so… in the age of digital surveillance, no one needs to ask other humans about each other. most humans willingly or unknowingly give all their data, like location, identity and more
you could point everybody in the direction of privacy, which might actually help disenfranchised peoples (if you ignore facial and gait recognition, voice and emotional analysis tracking throughout most cities…)
not legal advice, and not advocating anyone doing anything illegal of course
It’s a bit too late for that, the digital information is already out there, and trying to hide any of it now wouldn’t be much use against physical door to door/workplace/school/church raids anyway.
Only problem with those is if they can prove you knew.
Best thing to say is “Am I being detained?” And if so you say “I invoke the fifth amendment.”
And then you shut the fuck up.
Oh look, it’s stfu friday!
(posted it already in another comment but felt important enough to post here too :))
Why the need to single out white people? The blame goes around to many groups.
With regards to talking to the police follow the advice given in this video named Do Not Talk to the Police.
I watched this video 12 years ago, and again just about every year since.
It’s basically the most important video for anyone (especially Americans) to watch and understand.
Ah, yes, “not all white people!!12*”
But somehow also “not only white people!!11” (my morbid curiosity kinda wants to know who the fuck else you think christo-fascist white supremacy* is serving, benefitting and protecting, but my sanity demands I don’t engage with you any further).
Which amasses to “I’m too busy centring myself* and my whiteness*, and finding a way to claim some victimhood in this situation, to hear what those who are actually under attack are saying”
Check your fucking privilege*.
That is if you’re even willing to examine your white fragility
*If anyone needs image descriptions, please ask
Non-whites have never been police, never talked to police, never voted for the Evil Party and shouldn’t be included at all in advice to not be evil, misguided or duped.
Note: 16% of black voters and 43% of latino voters in the U.S. voted for Trump.
If you need a /s at the end of that comment to get the sarcasm you are really really bad at reading context cues.
I think I am, yeah. Edited the original reply now to turn it into a sidenote :D
Hahah fair enough
To quote one of my favorite shows (Mr Inbetween): “I don’t answer questions.” - Ray Shoesmith.
One of the best series ever. Surprising how few people actually know it.
I didn’t know about until I discovered Australia’s small yet impressive film industry after watching The Magician and the rabbit hole just got deeper from there. Scott Ryan is a pretty talented actor/director.
Do not say a word about your neighbours.
As far as the cops are concernedyou’re a recluse who doesn’t talk to anybody where you live."Well said. There needs to be some kind of democrat’s handbook on how to handle a facist state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15–style_rifle
The finest multi-purpose rifle ever designed by man.
Anyway, what were we talking about?
That’s weird, your link doesn’t go to the M1 Garand. You must have had a copy paste error.
(I jest, the AR-15 is really a very flexible and efficient multi purpose platform)
That’s weird, you said the M1 Garand but surely you mistyped “Mosin Nagant.”
Please explain the axial scar on your thumb
It’s perfectly normal, it happens to all guys sometimes.
You say that as if you think the Democratic Party is something other than White Moderate (in the MLK sense) Collaborators. They will certainly not be the ones to write such a handbook.
They aren’t here to help either. Just another flavor of wolf in sheep’s clothes to support the super wealthy that run the country. Though this one seems a little less capable of malice. I still can’t tell if that’s a sliver of morality hanging on the through a beating of self ineptitude.