Sherri Tenpenny is no longer a licensed physician after airing fringe comments and ducking investigators.
good, because if that bullshit were true, I wouldn’t be dropping spoons all the time.
The article started with “Texas”, so I did not go further. Felt like enough was said
How did she become a Doctor? Is the one of those times where just pretended one day, got away with it and just carried on?
I actually know one family doctor who is really, really smart. He took care of my family, and he has always been on point with his advice.
Three years
from now(edit:) ago, he started spewing bullshit about vaccines. It was really disappointing.My point is, some people (including thia doctor) are very susceptible to social media brainwashing. I’m not justifying them, but I can see how they became doctors long, long, long ago when we were not constantly online.
If there’s one thing working in insurance taught me it’s that you just never know. You can be talking to the smartest person in the world with five degrees etc and they just got into an accident watching Bluey while driving lol. People are gonna people and intelligence does NOT equal common sense/rational thought.
I agree. I work with a bunch of literal rocket scientists - amazingly smart people. In discussing work stuff, every one of them will insist on data to make decisions. But a few of them will start taking about politics and go off on some diatribe about vaccines, climate change, deep state, or whatever - things completely unsupported by facts or data. I just don’t understand how people can compartmentalize their whole way of thinking like that.
And then there’s religion… it always seemed similarly odd to me that otherwise rational people can believe in the adult version of Santa. These are often the same people.
Yeah, agreed, though I suppose it’s a lot harder to get away from something that your whole family, maybe even your whole community, has been saying is true since your entire life, especially something that includes “there’s no proof, it’s a matter of faith.” I cut people a little slack for that.
and they just got into an accident watching Bluey while driving lol
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Yup. My best friend growing up was absolutely brilliant, one of the smartest and most well-rounded people I’ve ever met. And yet, when she was new to driving, and her dad handed her the gas pump to fill up the tank, she started spraying it on the windshield. Somehow, despite surely seeing other people perform this task hundreds of times throughout her life, she got it into her head that the pump is where the “soapy water” comes from. You know, those little reserves of water with the squeegee/sponge combo to clean your windshield? That soapy water. She was convinced that the soapy water lived in the gas pump and started dousing her windshield with gas. The fact that it came out with small bubbles further confirmed to her that it was, indeed, soapy water. Her completely flabbergasted dad losing his mind screaming WHATTHEFUCKAREYOUDOING!!! is what finally clued her in that she might be acting in error. It’s like sometimes when you’re that smart maybe you just don’t have any spare brain cells to understand every day things.
Yeah, know a teacher. Smart person.
Had the COVID shot, had side effects (flu symptoms), “researched” online. Next time we saw her, she had opinions on Hunter Biden and thinks Russia is justified in invading Ukraine. Don’t really want to talk with them any more. You end up tiptoeing around things so as not to activate the Fox news programming.
She’s not even American. This shit is more infectious than any virus. You don’t even have to leave home to catch it.
Rupert Murdoch, the kingpin of a ton of this nonsense learned journalism in Australia before immigrating and making America a worse place.
Three years from now would mean three years into the future.
Three years ago would be three years into the past.
And yes it’s sad how even intelligent people fall down very deep rabbit holes.
I’ve noticed a few people on here use “x years from now” incorrectly to refer to the past. I wonder if it’s an ESL thing and maybe their native language uses that construct to refer to the future.
You’re discounting the possibility that the person is a time traveler.
Lol sorry, I was tired when I typed that. “x years from now” to refer to the past is weird if not wrong.
I’ve read that intelligent people can be more susceptible to rabbit holes because they trust themselves to see through the bullshit. They don’t realise the bullshit is carefully crafted to slip past their filters.
“I know I spent a decade or more of my life in post-grad, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, attended hundreds of hours of lectures, but this blog with a .blogspot.com domain just convinced me that vaccines can ionize your body”
Woo boy, a couple years ago I got a vasectomy. I didn’t know the doctor, I’m not at an age that one typically sees a urologist. This otherwise seemingly intelligent and congenial medical professional starts making small talk about how much bullshit the COVID vaccine is WITH MY NUTS IN HIS HANDS. I just nodded and grunted noncommittally until I could rush out of that office. Bright side is his work has held up at least!
He knew what he was doing!!
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Yes unfortunately intelligence does not seem to be a protective factor against media illiteracy. That is also not something that is focused on in medical education too much, and definitely wasn’t being emphasized by small schools in the 80s (which is when this Ohio person went to school).
What sort of things was he saying about the vaccines?
The usual bullshit about substances the government put it them to control people.
All vaccines or just the new mRNA ones? I feel like it would be easy to mistrust them at first because of the rapidity they came to market (if iring previous mRNA research), and maybe the media played on that.
If it’s all vaccines that’s just absolutely retarded for a doctor to fall victim to. Who wants polio back? He should have had extensive training on the older vaccines.
It sounds like she may be a scam artist rather than an idiot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Tenpenny
she is the author of four books opposing vaccination
Tenpenny promotes anti-vaccination videos sold by Ty and Charlene Bollinger and receives a commission whenever her referrals result in a sale, a practice known as affiliate marketing.
If you look at her website, the front page is mostly selling her books and various snake oil treatments, like “heavy metal detox” substances. looks further And what appears to be faith healing stuff.
Getting a medical degree doesn’t mean that you can’t be a scam artist.
In a June 2021 report on the Disinformation Dozen, titled “Pandemic Profiteers,” the CCDH estimated that Tenpenny earned up to $353,925 from a single webinar titled “How Covid-19 Injections Can Make You Sick … Even Kill You.”
This income is on top of sales from Tenpenny’s pre-recorded training courses, her line of supplements, as well as her fees for appearing in multiple vaccine-injury cases. And each webinar produces more customers.
“My job is to teach the 400 of you in the class … so each one of you go out and teach 1,000,” she told her $623-a-head “Mastering Vaccine Info Boot Camp” in March, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sherri-tenpenny-how-anti-vaxxer-fuels-pandemic-makes-money-2021-8
Yeah, that too.
Honestly, one thing that I’ve found to be surprisingly consistent across a lot of the apparently-bonkers-on-the-surface conspiracy crowd is that someone is selling “alternative wellness” products at the bottom of it.
I remember discovering that Alex Jones was off selling a bunch of “alternative wellness” stuff too and saying “oooohhhh, okay, that makes more sense”.
I think that the business model looks something like this. You take some issue that someone doesn’t like. I don’t know, being told to wear a mask. You say “this is unnecessary”. Okay, fine, that’s something of a values call, weighting risks against benefits. Then you promote related stuff that they agree with. So, okay, say someone goes to church, and they pray for someone to get better, and that’s a normal part of the culture, right? But in the case of Sherri Tenpenny, it looks like she’s off encouraging people to perform prayers that include a lot of the other kinda wonky products she’s promoting. She’s trying to leverage the cultural norm of praying for someone to get better to associating the stuff she’s promoting with getting better.
So you put out stuff that people agree with to draw them in. Do a wide range of things targeting sometimes-totally-different groups. Some people don’t like 5G – that’s not new with 5G, as there have always been people worried about the health effects of cell phones and radios. Some people don’t trust vaccines. Some people don’t like being told what to do and don’t like being made to wear masks. Some people are pissed off with overseas competition for the field they work in, so opposition to global trade goes over well. Some people are concerned about the effects that industrial chemicals might be having on their bodies. Some people have the idea that there are some sort of ties between life or biological processes and magnets (though that tended to be more of a left-wing than a right-wing thing in the US in the past, but I suppose the same mechanisms work on people either way). I mean, run down the list, doesn’t need to have much to do with each other. You’re just trying to pick up people who don’t agree with the mainstream on one point or another, so that you look appealing to them on that point. You’re saying something that the mainstream isn’t that they like.
You keep constantly promoting communication channels you run. In Sherri Tenpenny’s case, she’s promoting a ton of podcasts and newsletters and mailing lists. The near-term aim is to get an audience subscribed to those channels, so that you can have as many shots as possible as putting a sales pitch for your products in front of them. The long-term aim is to ultimately use those channels to shift as many as possible onto regularly buying whatever snake oil you’re peddling.
And that explains why you have some weird agglomerations of different views. I mean, she’s talking about chemicals, 5G, anti-vaccines, magnetism, faith healing…it seems incredibly unlikely for someone to have honestly picked up all of those highly-abnormal views and also have honestly come to the conclusion that they are an expert on them. But, if your goal is to just try to do a broad shotgun marketing blast towards anyone who might be upset with the mainstream in any sense and hook them in, you’re just looking to convert anyone you can get to following and listening to you.
The final goal is to use those communication channels you’ve established with them to get them sending you money for whatever product you’re trying to sell. “Alternative wellness” products are hard for the end user to evaluate the efficacy of, and you can mark them up to whatever, so snake oil makes for a good fit.
It’s not that people like Sherri Tenpenny are idiots and believe what they’re saying. It’s that they’re trying to perform a scam, and the collection of conspiracy or at least outside-the-mainstream ideas are “hooks” to try to draw people into the channel used to sell the scam.
It’s a long ass con.
Yikes.
I wonder how many people like this go under the radar, but saying stuff about COVID definitely brings attention.
Seriously! How does someone with a medical degree think magnetism manifests in the human body?
What do they call the person who graduated at the bottom of their class in med school?
“Doctor.”
I had only one visit with my last doctor before finding a new PCP.
After that visit, I got a call from him saying that I needed to buy $270 in supplements each month from him, the vast majority of which listed their active ingredient as a “Proprietary Blend”.
she probably was the kind of cooker to use those magnetic bracelets before covid too
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, an osteopathic doctor
She’s an osteopath. Calling her a doctor is like calling myself a “Pasta Architect” because I made a lasagne.
She did her undergrad at PragerU and her residency at Trump University Collij uh Medisin.
What do you call someone who graduates last in medical school? Exactly.
Hello, Exactly. I’m dad.
Hi dad ,I’m hungry.
Hi Hungry, you’re grounded.
She was not a doctor of real medicine. She was a “doctor of osteopathic medicine” which is a pseudo science bullshit degree. Even if they are not nutjobs, at best they are a massage therapist not someone who studied human biology and medicine.
False. Osteopathic medicine is a real medical degree. Osteopathy is distinct and is not.
At first, I thought that revoking her license on procedural grounds, rather than addressing the nonsense she was spewing, was a cowardly decision. After some thought, I realized that the board probably did the right thing. They are using this opportunity to reinforce the board’s authority, which is essential. They’re also giving themselves a second chance to revoke her license on professional grounds, in case she fights the procedural decision in court and somehow wins.
Also, I wonder how the Ohio Advocates for Medical Freedom feel about a woman’s right to choose? I can only guess, but this “nonpartisan” group provides a handy election guide which endorses every Republican and absolutely no Democrats. That might be a clue. I bet they don’t even see the hypocrisy of using the words “Medical Freedom “, because they don’t acknowledge that abortion is health care.
Her license is a pseudoscience D.O. PhD. Her doctorate is treating a whole person. Not the symptoms or ailments. She is a fraud.
DO is not pseudoscience. Osteopathic medicine is a real discipline and is distinct from Osteopathy which is quackery.
Big Magnet once again tries to silence the truth!1!
I wanna be magnetized! I think my vaccines were defective.
Seriously- how is this not a selling point?
Next you’ll be telling me that my ass will fall off if i unscrew my belly button.
got to get the lint out of it first.
To be fair an osteopathic doctor is barely even a doctor to begin with… more like a glorified masseuse.
My background: I’m a medical student (MD school), in a combined MD/PhD program. I’ve completed my PhD and am in the last year of the MD.
I think you might be confusing DO’s with chiropractors. Most DO’s go through the same licensing exams and residencies as MDs. Some of the other comments are true that MD schools can be more difficult to get in to, but this has to do with their performance in undergraduate education. By the end of their respective programs, MDs and DOs are usually competing for the same residency programs using the same board exams.
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There are plenty of outstanding DOs and many poor MDs. But it is a fact that you need better qualifications to get into MD school.
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Generally a better GPA or more prestigious college diploma. Perhaps more research experience depending on the MD school. Most of all it’s just the fact that MD schools have been around longer and developed more of a reputation so they can pick and choose their candidates, and it’s historically been the case that when some students get rejected from MD school they will turn around and apply for DO school.
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This is correct
GPA, MCAT scores and intangibles.
Maybe.
Although, medical doctors are also known to be severely lacking in skepticism and understanding of the scientific method (much like engineers), so depending on the doctor you talked to, they might actually believe it.
Source: anecdotal, but I’ve spent my entire adult life in higher ed chemistry departments taking classes with and then teaching premeds, and it’s a real thing. Med school does nothing to alleviate this, being focused as it is on basically troubleshooting a single particularly complicated and poorly designed machine.
Edit: here are a few studies that corroborate my experience, although they’re far from comprehensive ( Source 1 and Source 2)
This comment is severely out of line and admittedly anecdotal.
“Medical doctors are also known to be severely lacking in skepticism and the scientific method (much like engineers)”
That is a broad and ignorant statement that is as outlandish as it is contrived.
Found the MD. /s
Hm yes outlandish and contrived, I concur.
Lol, ok. Then why do the editors at numerous medical journals and other science writers agree with me? Like this one, that concludes that medical doctors are far too quick to abandon scientific skepticism in favor of new treatments. Or this one, which argues that doctors ascribe too much importance to one-off studies. Or this one, which flat out states that doctors do not think like scientists.
Outlandish and contrived, my ass. Just because you like to believe doctors can think like scientists doesn’t make it so. If you disagree, feel free to provide sources.
Your ass, indeed. You said they severely lack an understanding of the scientific method and lack skepticism. Those are wild and ridiculous claims, and the commentaries you link do not even prove them.
Just because you think every doctor is incapable of using/understanding the scientific method does not make it so.
There are doctors who do medical research, as well as engineers, that is a fact. Not to mention the scientific method othen applies in daily practice, inherently.
There’s a difference between saying that not all MD are physician scientists and need to better apply their fundamental principles, verses claiming that doctors don’t understand the scientific method.
Just because you think every doctor is incapable of using/understanding the scientific method does not make it so.
I didn’t say every doctor. I said that doctors in general and medical education as a whole are lacking in understanding of and curriculum supporting skepticism and the scientific method.
Those are wild and ridiculous claims, and the commentaries you link do not even prove them.
Correct. They do not provide conclusive proof. But when educators and editors of scholarly journals both agree with the premise that medicine is not science and physicians do not apply proper scientific rigor in the course of their work, it’s fairly suggestive, don’t you think? Especially in the absence of any sources with claims to the contrary. After all, I’ve yet to see you provide a single source…
But while you look, you could consider these commentaries that look into the lack of fundamental science education in modern and historical medical education (Source 1, Source 2, and Source 3)
I just want to emphasize that the two studies you’ve linked to are not for US graduate DOs/MDs. One is for practicing physicians in Israel and the other is 1st year medical students in India. Not sure about the Israeli medical education, but in India a medical degree (mbbs) is an undergraduate degree. So looking at 1st year medical students is the equivalent of a fresh high school graduate. I would be interested to know what this looks like in the US because a large part of medical education is built around research, at least early in training. Everyone has varying aptitude and interest in research (like anything else), but you’d be hard pressed to find a US trained MD/DO who has become licensed in the last 20 years and has never done any research. It might surprise you to know that most of medicine is, in fact, evidence based which requires us to learn how to interpret said evidence. Both for when we need to make decisions about applying research to our own practice, as well as for answering patient questions about things they might’ve come across on Google, MD.
So, since my sources are fairly small focused studies, I assume you have sources that are more comprehensive, right? Because I found these after less than 30s of searching, and a couple more minutes yielded a multitude of articles and op-eds from medical and scientific journals that all agree that MDs are not scientists. Like this one. Or this one. Or this one, which talks about how physicians do not apply proper levels of scientific thinking to new treatments in
So, I think it’s safe to say that applying evidence-based research is not the same as understand the scientific method or having a healthy level of skepticism.
As most med schools it’s the same program, maybe a few different classes. From a courtroom perspective, there is no difference and their opinions carry equal weight; residency and specialized training after med school is what counts.
This is not true.
I think you are thinking of a chiropractor. DO’s are legitimately the same as an MD in practice. My experience working in an office with two MDs and two DOs was the DOs tend to be more personable, and the MDs feel more book smart. But they both see the same patients and do the same job in the same office.
And keep in mind my experience was just with 4 total people, so it could be just that office.
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‘Sherri Tenpenny, an osteopathic doctor who says she’s been researching for 21 years vaccine adverse events, testified before a legislative committee this week that people can stick keys, spoons and forks to their foreheads after getting the coronavirus vaccine possibly because they’ve been magnetized.’
Yeah keys are brass or nickel and brass. Both are non-ferrous.
Don’t believe this comment! He’s been compromised by big magnet!
She was brave enough to stand up to big magnetism.
It is irrelevant, but some (not all) of my keys here in Germany are magnetic. I know because I have a magnet board for my keys to hang on. That being said, she’s fucking crazy. It’s a simple test that you can disprove… and if this was true, oh God what MRI machine would do to someone. If they were so strongly magnetic that things could stuck to the, they would be torn apart.
Was going to get an MRI on my brain, but was worried about the steel clip that was used for my vasectomy. The tech said, “Just let us know if you feel anything tingle once you get in the room.” I literally walked into the room with both hands firmly on my junk, knowing full well that it wouldn’t change anything.
Long story short, the metal clips they use are non-ferrous. :)
Good.
The medical community needs to come down harder on these people, if you ask me. It’s not a free speech matter when junk science is being proliferated and causing people’s deaths, and there should be professional and legal consequences for people who do this.
Damn they won’t make me magnetic? That would be useful, I could avoid dropping screws and bits every time I do a project.
I was hoping to be able to take down the X-Men soon, but this bitch lied to me!
Yeah I was about to say, can I still go back for a shot that’ll make me magnetic? 😁
My cellphone carrier hasn’t rolled out 5G service yet. I was disappointed when I got the vaccine and was still stuck on LTE.
Would make using thumb drives a bitch though
I imagine that in Sherri Threepenny’s claimed world, it’d be kind of like magnet fishing – you’d wind up covered in metal shavings and little pieces of metal picked up as you traveled through your daily environment.
That would honestly be hysterical. And you wouldn’t ever want to go to the beach, as anyone who has ever played with a magnet in the sand knows.
It would really suck if you needed to get an MRI though.
Good. Wtf?
How do these crackpots become doctors? What the ever-loving fuck!
I was hoping that getting the vaccine would let me shoot Jewish Space Lasers out of my eyes, but all the vaccine did for me was make me ruin my credit cards every time I try to swipe them! 😕
at least I still get free 5G! Thanks Obama!
I got da vaccine and my internet is still trash. Fake news.
oh, not from the vaccine— from ACP! Thanks, Obama!
That’s no world news, that’s cleveland news. Please post content that’s relevant to the world.
You’re right; it’s not world news. That’s why I didn’t post it in the world news community, but in the news community.
Perhaps you’d prefer to follow the world news community instead of the news one, if that’s specifically what you’re looking for?
I disagree, Sheri Tenpenny has been among the most damaging voices in the antivax arena since it began. This is a relevant as Andrew Wakefield losing his license. Her claims are used worldwide by the anti Vax, covid denying nut jobs.
Just because it happened in Ohio doesn’t mean it is limited to Ohio.
I have no idea who Andrew Wakefield is, I honestly think making news articles about these people is just giving them more of a platform, and something to point at and be like “SEE THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME!! IM THE VICTIM”.
Dumb anti vaxxers are everywhere but I doubt an antivaxxer in Bangladesh knows who these people are. Also the whole anti vax thing died out after restrictions were relaxed and it’s barely important news hearing more of this bullshit we’ve heard about for years when it’s less relevant than ever.
Not global news IMO.
Andrew Wakefield is literally the modern origin of the vaccine-damage myth so if you don’t know who that is, you probably aren’t a good judge of whether this Ohio doctor is notable or not.
Like, I don’t think she is in that category, but you have explicitly made your own opinion moot, because you might as well have said “Seagulls? Never heard of them. Stick to birds everyone in the world would know, please”.
She did world wide tours peddling her 5g magnetic crap. She’s literally the source of that rumor and it is world wide.
Is she as notorious as Wakefield? No, but he’s got 10 years on her in the bullshit arena.
Is it the most notable world event at the moment? Also no, but she is a global figure.
Jackdaws are crows change my mind.
This is such a bad argument.
“You don’t know who this one conspiracy theorist is so clearly your incapable of understanding that we need to make news about fucking nutjobs everytime they are a nutjobs so that they get more exposure”
How is it even news that she lost her job which she obviously should have lost?
“Hey guys, we got some hot news! The surgeon who fainted whenever he saw blood lost his job!”
Wow thanks for the news, very exciting, very unexpected, it’s totally gonna change things on a global scale for the foreseeable future. Nothing more world changing than someone getting fired for incompetency.
This is such a bad take.
You’re not the arbitor of news. Being able to discredit her is important to a lot of people who have lost friends and family to get quackery.
To some of us, any argument you can use to bring those you love, people who are once upon a time intelligent, rational creatures, back into reality is important.
Her being disgraced may give her another 15 seconds of happiness, but it’s another point of argument. It won’t be a winning point for everyone, but it can be a tipping point for some.
You much think it’s bad journalism, but you’re not the arbiter for everyone. So, since you like to put your head on the sand and be ignorant about the people who spread dangerous medical misinformation, the kind that lead to mobs in Spain trying to pull down cellular towers, scroll past and keep doing that while the rest of us talk about seagulls
I know I’m not the fucking arbiter of news my dude I literally said IMO.
IMO = in my opinion
There you go, you learned something new. I’m not a mod I’m not calling for this post to be removed I’m just saying in MY OPINION it’s not global news.
Edit: to add onto this point I appreciate that you think it might change some people’s opinions on this anti vaxx stuff but after dealing with my mom’s anti vaxx bullshit I really think anyone who’s dumb enough to believe in this shit won’t be swayed by someone losing their medical license they will just point to it and be like “SEE THE GOVERNMENTS ARE TRYING TO SUPPRESS US! ITS A CONSPIRACY!!”
Every time something like this is in the news my mum just believes her crazy shit even more. It gives credibility that the news and government are colluding somehow.
Andrew Wakefield
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born September 3, 1956)[3][4][a] is a British anti-vaccine activist, former physician, and discredited academic who was struck off the medical register for his involvement in The Lancet MMR autism fraud, a 1998 study that fraudulently claimed a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. He has subsequently become known for anti-vaccination activism. Publicity around the 1998 study caused a sharp decline in vaccination uptake, leading to a number of outbreaks of measles around the world.
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Ahhh gotcha thanks, I probably won’t remember the name though to be honest.
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Is there a rule saying this community is only for world news? Most other posts here aren’t world news.
There is another community explicitly for world news, !world@lemmy.world
Its the NEWs community this is News so it belongs here. If you want only world news then follow that community.
It’s the news community on lemmy.world. Should we all start posting our local news?
The irony here is, this isn’t even “local news” to me - I’m not from Ohio and I haven’t lived in America for 20 years.
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