• Zagorath@aussie.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    ·
    17 hours ago

    At least China goes through the motions of being Communist. They also somehow support 21st century Russia which is just openly an authoritarian oligarchy.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldM
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      16 hours ago

      My ‘favorite’ is when they defend clerical fascism in Iran as some kind of fantastic anti-capitalist development,

      • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        12 hours ago

        The leftists allied with the religious nutjobs in the revolution, then got murdered immediately afterwards because the religious nutjobs didn’t want a leftist government that tolerated religion, they wanted an authoritarian theocracy. Some people somehow think that any leftist-backed revolution always goes brilliantly and ends up with utopian socialism or communism and no one ever exploits the post-revolutionary power vacuum for their own ends. That isn’t compatible with what happened, so instead, they must believe that the leftists survived being murdered and now run Iran.

        • Comment105@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          11 hours ago

          Communists also literally do not care about democracy and seem to strongly believe that if anyone in the country wants something pretty socialist then than justifies overruling the reat of the country with all the military power it can muster if neecessary.

      • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        8 hours ago

        Islamic theocracy is fundamentally incompatible with fascism as the ideal state posed by Islam is a caliphate aka a theocratic monarchal state.

      • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        12 hours ago

        As a side note Islamic theocracy is immune to fascism given the fact that the ideal state in Islam is a theocracy. Theocracies and fascism are incompatible due to the supremacy of the faith in one vs the other.

        Iran is just another theocratic totalitarian state. They are not fascists.

        • frezik@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          10 hours ago

          That’s overly simplistic. Fascists and theocrats work together to gain power for all the time. See the current marriage of Trump and Christian Nationalists in the United States, for example.

          • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 hours ago

            That has nothing to do with my claim which is specific to Islam. As Islam posits a caliphate as the ideal state it is incompatible with fascism which requires faith to be subservient to the state. Iran cannot be as Muslim fascist theocracy

            • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              4 hours ago

              There is often a very large gap between what is seen as ideal and what pans out in reality. Fascism is absolutely a possible result of an attempt to establish a caliphate, just as an authoritarian dictatorship or oligarchy - sooner or later - is a possible result of an attempt to establish communism.

              • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                4 hours ago

                If you end up fascist you cannot be a Muslim theocratic state which is what Islam posits as the ideal this you cannot have a state that is both fascist and an Islamic theocracy. This combination is entirely possible for other faiths that do not posit an ideal state.

                You cannot be both.

                • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  4 hours ago

                  You’re making a pure semantics argument, saying that an “Islamic theocracy” means something so specific that even if a fascist regime could be considered both Islamic and a theocracy, you can’t call it that because only caliphates qualify for that label. It’s a bit silly.

                  • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    2 hours ago

                    No I am not making a semantic argument. The role if faith in a theocracy and the role of the state religion in a fascist state are entirely different.

                    The only theocratic state that can exist in Islam is a caliphate. That’s literally what is in the Quran. There’s no nuance or room for debate here.

                    Do you hate Islam? Is that why this is so hard for you to grasp?