Have you ever watched a movie? Were you blown away by all the execs they added in the credits and assumed they must have had thousands of others under them not mentioned? Or do you not typically assume every other industry follows the same standard as yours?
What you said is akin to me saying “Why are they expecting their name on things? The restaurant I work at doesn’t put my name on the menu when I’m cooking that night.”
It’s a different industry and I would be foolish to assume the standards in mine definitely should translate to others, and then confidently comment publicly about it.
For outsourced companies it usually works like this in movie and game credits, yes. You get a section in the credits headed by your company name, then the names of the managers and the project leads. Individual workers for these vfx, sound etc companies are not listed in most cases.
I think it boils down less to comparing industries at the end of the day, and more about ‘what do the actual supposed oppressed translators think’? I see a lot of white knighting and back seat posturing, but nothing from the supposed slighted translators.
If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn’t it in their contract? One thing about any industry, don’t assume something important is going to happen. Get it in your contract.
If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn’t it in their contract?
Maybe because of the usual power imbalance between employer and employee? If there are enough other applicants, employers can dictate the terms. It‘s a bit like saying to a coal miner: “Oh, if not dying from black lung disease is sooo important to you, why wasn‘t that in your contract?”
“I see a lot of white knighting”
I hate this term. If you call people who care about injustices “white knights”, what do you call the people who go out of their way to defend injustices and take the side of the more powerful parties?
Yeah and all that white knighting gives visibility to the issue and now Larian has reached out to ask for the full teams name to put in the credits. Good thing the common population doesn’t share your opinion or that never would have happened
Except if there actually is an issue (we still haven’t heard from the people affected by this) then this accomplishes next to nothing. If this generation continues to rely on fickle internet FOMO crap instead of, I don’t know, actually attempting to solve their problems, nothing is going to get better. We’ve turned companies into ‘internet responders’ who care more about their internet image than actually taking care of their workers. If this group of workers is actually affected by this as negatively as the internet feels, then they need to work for change internally in their industry. This is just a shiny thing the internet picked up on before it moves on to the next.
Lmao that’s the most reaching argument I’ve ever heard in my life. Won’t anyone please save these poor companies from being “internet responders” and help them from pretending to care about their workers and forcing their hand to actually do something.
After all the only change that matters is internal change. Conveniently the kind of change that the general public also has zero way of influencing so any time a company performs any kind of obvious injustice it’s obviously virtue signalling to mention it since we have zero influence on internal policy.
Much better that companies not even give an appearance of giving a shit compared to the world we live in now where the direct problem people complained about is now being addressed
Reading comprehension might be an issue for you. Never did I ever insinuate that the companies were in need of saving from this. But thanks for letting me know my points are wasted on you. Stick with your echo chambers I guess.
Wow would you look at that they even had internal policy changes because of internet white knighting. Granted we can take this with a heavy heavy grain of salt and their commitment remains to be seen but you’re just taking L after L
Altagram goes on to list seven commitments it will adhere to in order to ensure proper accreditation of its workers in future, including the establishment of an internal crediting commitmee, improved transparency between clients and staff, and a commitment to the IGDA guidelines which were set out earlier this year.
I bet you someone contacted that guy to find and post that tweet. Mind you speak out against the company while employed is against the contract and can land you a law suit if you cause any reputation damage. So that answered your concern.
To get it in contract is common practice in film/TV/game projects, it just need to become more popular idea for the localization side of gaming industry.
Have you ever watched a movie? Were you blown away by all the execs they added in the credits and assumed they must have had thousands of others under them not mentioned? Or do you not typically assume every other industry follows the same standard as yours?
What you said is akin to me saying “Why are they expecting their name on things? The restaurant I work at doesn’t put my name on the menu when I’m cooking that night.”
It’s a different industry and I would be foolish to assume the standards in mine definitely should translate to others, and then confidently comment publicly about it.
For outsourced companies it usually works like this in movie and game credits, yes. You get a section in the credits headed by your company name, then the names of the managers and the project leads. Individual workers for these vfx, sound etc companies are not listed in most cases.
I think it boils down less to comparing industries at the end of the day, and more about ‘what do the actual supposed oppressed translators think’? I see a lot of white knighting and back seat posturing, but nothing from the supposed slighted translators. If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn’t it in their contract? One thing about any industry, don’t assume something important is going to happen. Get it in your contract.
Maybe because of the usual power imbalance between employer and employee? If there are enough other applicants, employers can dictate the terms. It‘s a bit like saying to a coal miner: “Oh, if not dying from black lung disease is sooo important to you, why wasn‘t that in your contract?”
I hate this term. If you call people who care about injustices “white knights”, what do you call the people who go out of their way to defend injustices and take the side of the more powerful parties?
I think arseholes is the official term.
Yeah and all that white knighting gives visibility to the issue and now Larian has reached out to ask for the full teams name to put in the credits. Good thing the common population doesn’t share your opinion or that never would have happened
Except if there actually is an issue (we still haven’t heard from the people affected by this) then this accomplishes next to nothing. If this generation continues to rely on fickle internet FOMO crap instead of, I don’t know, actually attempting to solve their problems, nothing is going to get better. We’ve turned companies into ‘internet responders’ who care more about their internet image than actually taking care of their workers. If this group of workers is actually affected by this as negatively as the internet feels, then they need to work for change internally in their industry. This is just a shiny thing the internet picked up on before it moves on to the next.
Lmao that’s the most reaching argument I’ve ever heard in my life. Won’t anyone please save these poor companies from being “internet responders” and help them from pretending to care about their workers and forcing their hand to actually do something.
After all the only change that matters is internal change. Conveniently the kind of change that the general public also has zero way of influencing so any time a company performs any kind of obvious injustice it’s obviously virtue signalling to mention it since we have zero influence on internal policy.
Much better that companies not even give an appearance of giving a shit compared to the world we live in now where the direct problem people complained about is now being addressed
Reading comprehension might be an issue for you. Never did I ever insinuate that the companies were in need of saving from this. But thanks for letting me know my points are wasted on you. Stick with your echo chambers I guess.
Reading comprehension might be an issue for you if you can’t understand sarcasm
Oh nice, internet sarcasm? That’s basically the “it’s a prank, bro” when you get called out. Nice try though.
Not being able to read sarcasm you really do have a Reddit mindset
Wow would you look at that they even had internal policy changes because of internet white knighting. Granted we can take this with a heavy heavy grain of salt and their commitment remains to be seen but you’re just taking L after L
https://www.eurogamer.net/baldurs-gate-3-translation-company-commits-to-change-after-leaving-staff-out-of-credits
I bet you someone contacted that guy to find and post that tweet. Mind you speak out against the company while employed is against the contract and can land you a law suit if you cause any reputation damage. So that answered your concern.
To get it in contract is common practice in film/TV/game projects, it just need to become more popular idea for the localization side of gaming industry.
Yeah man, this makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they got it in their contracts and can get some compensation for it.